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        	        	<description><![CDATA[<p>Bella</p>
<p>You're correct that Type I and Type II diabetes are not at all the same thing, and require different treatments.  It's scary how many doctors recommend insulin to Type IIs.  And yes, <b>any meal and treatment plan that spikes BG to 250-300 is killing people, and everyone responsible for recommending or enforcing it should immediately have their professional licenses revoked.</b> </p>
<p>Seriously: we are in the Dark Ages of blood sugar management.  These are the same sorts of people that drove Ignaz Semmelweiss into the insane asylum for suggesting that doctors should <i>wash their hands between doing autopsies and delivering babies.</i>  </p>
<p>That's a great point about the breakfast studies...I'll bet you that children whose parents feed them breakfast at home are better off financially, more likely to be a two-parent family, and have other qualities that we know are associated with doing better in school.  Meanwhile, you might enjoy my articles on "The Breakfast Myth: <a href="http://www.gnolls.org/2131/the-breakfast-myth-part-1/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Part I</a>, <a href="http://www.gnolls.org/2181/the-breakfast-myth-part-2-the-art-and-science-of-not-eating-breakfast/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Part II.</a></p>
<p>JS</p>
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        	        	<pubDate>Thu, 25 Sep 2014 22:23:53 -0700</pubDate>
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        	        	<description><![CDATA[<p>"Breakfast is the most important meal of the day."  This propaganda (in the best sense of the word) was started because of studies showing children who have breakfast do better in school.  This was a long time ago, and they started hauling poor children to school early and serving them free breakfast.  There are new studies out recently, and guess what?  The free breakfast kids don't do better in school.  It turns out that children from homes that serve them breakfast before school do better in school.  It's probalby not the breakfast at all, but some other factor common to families that have breakfast before school.</p>
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        	        	<pubDate>Thu, 25 Sep 2014 13:43:55 -0700</pubDate>
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        	        	<description><![CDATA[<p>The standard diabetic diet is beet nutririon analysisendesigned to have the same number of carbohydrates in each meal (I think it's 40 for breakfast.)  This is so the insulin dose is predictable.  This has nothing to do with what is needed nutritionally, just an acceptable, familiar diet for most people. I get that.   It is beyond my understanding why this EVER got transferred to type II diabetics.  All the type II diabetics I know (they all have the same dietician) have a bowl of oatmeal with skimmed milk, two slices of whole wheat toast, juice or fruit, and coffee for breakfast.  Yep, about 40.  And Splenda, no sugar, every last one of them.  Typical post prandial glucose 250-300, even with fasting glucose at goal.  This is nuts.  They need a different diet. (Nuts, for instance)  I think breakfast is the only meal that they go by the dietician's advice, though the senior center serves even higher carb meals so I don't really think it gets better through the day.</p>
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        	        	<pubDate>Thu, 25 Sep 2014 13:33:41 -0700</pubDate>
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        	        	<description><![CDATA[<p>yes, I would eat a Snickers bar for breakfast. you could do a lot worse.</p>
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        	        	<pubDate>Fri, 29 Aug 2014 18:26:59 -0700</pubDate>
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        	<title>J. Stanton on "Adjacent To This Complete Breakfast!" Kicking Your Cereal Addiction...Consider Eating the Box Instead</title>
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        	        	<description><![CDATA[<p>Walter:</p>
<p>It is true that fructose overload causes its own set of problems -- most notably fatty liver, which is a symptom of many other problems.</p>
<p>Unfortunately, trying to explain every contingency of the glycemic index often obscures the main point!  This is an issue I continually struggle with. </p>
<p>It&#039;s also difficult to balance the desire to explain everything with the desire to write only one article, instead of a 5+ article series.</p>
<p>JS</p>
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        	        	<pubDate>Sun, 04 May 2014 20:20:41 -0700</pubDate>
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        	<title>Walter Stuart on "Adjacent To This Complete Breakfast!" Kicking Your Cereal Addiction...Consider Eating the Box Instead</title>
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        	        	<description><![CDATA[<p>Part to this paradox about the  glycemic index is that fructose does not raise blood sugar or insulin levels directly. However fructose is no panacea, on the contrary it makes glucose look friendly.</p>
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        	        	<pubDate>Mon, 28 Apr 2014 18:27:39 -0700</pubDate>
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        	        	<description><![CDATA[<p>Aniruddha:</p>
<p>Thank you for the correction! I must have had too many windows open...</p>
<p>JS</p>
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        	        	<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jan 2014 20:48:09 -0800</pubDate>
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        	<title>Aniruddha Shankar on "Adjacent To This Complete Breakfast!" Kicking Your Cereal Addiction...Consider Eating the Box Instead</title>
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        	        	<description><![CDATA[<p>The link for the Mrs Carmody diabetic diet quote is <a href="http://primalmeded.com/2012/01/28/first-week-of-being-a-doctor/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://primalmeded.com/2012/01/28/first-week-of-being-a-doctor/</a></p>
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        	        	<pubDate>Mon, 30 Dec 2013 08:48:52 -0800</pubDate>
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        	        	<description><![CDATA[<p>Walter Stuart:</p>
<p>One egg is a big improvement over zero eggs, to be sure.  </p>
<p>I agree with you.  Institutional diets are a crime -- and that goes for schools as well as hospitals and nursing homes.  <em>We&#039;ve turned the helpless and dependent into <strong>grain disposal units.</strong></em>  </p>
<p>As <a href="http://primalmeded.com/2012/02/04/the-spice-of-life/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Dr. Anastasia quotes</a>: "Mrs Carmody’s sugar is 33mmols. Of course she had toast and margarine, and marmalade, and cornflakes, and skim milk, and apple juice for breakfast. It’s a standard diabetic diet."</p>
<p>JS</p>
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        	        	<pubDate>Sun, 08 Apr 2012 17:01:51 -0700</pubDate>
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        	<title>Walter Stuart on "Adjacent To This Complete Breakfast!" Kicking Your Cereal Addiction...Consider Eating the Box Instead</title>
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        	        	<description><![CDATA[<p>@Cornelius</p>
<p>Who eats one egg for breakfast? My friend who had a stoke and is confined to a nursing home. One egg, oatmeal and toast and (bad) coffee.</p>
<p>I'm glad he gets the egg though; I woulda thunk that was against government rules. </p>
<p>There's a *real* problem for people confined to institutions, and hence diets are confined by government guidelines.</p>
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        	        	<pubDate>Sat, 07 Apr 2012 10:51:11 -0700</pubDate>
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        	        	<description><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for that response. It was the assurance I needed. I've already had to deal with the "endangering her health and welfare" speech. Which often comes from the same people who look at me eating my paleo and question my sanity when I explain my disdain for the government recommendations.</p>
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        	        	<pubDate>Tue, 27 Dec 2011 21:16:29 -0800</pubDate>
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        	<title>Paul Halliday on "Adjacent To This Complete Breakfast!" Kicking Your Cereal Addiction...Consider Eating the Box Instead</title>
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        	        	<description><![CDATA[<p>I&#039;ve stopped explaining paleo to people unless they&#039;re listening. Your choices for yourself, whatever they are, are your choices ... your choices for your family are your choices. You never need to explain them! Besides, more real food for us here if the rest of them are eating "big farmer".</p>
<p>Paleo is a template, not a religion - it is a simple template of eating nutritiously, avoiding toxins and playing as hard as you sleep. That&#039;s a big one for kids.</p>
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        	        	<pubDate>Sat, 24 Dec 2011 13:33:39 -0800</pubDate>
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        	        	<description><![CDATA[<p>Susan:</p>
<p>Tell the doctors and nurses that since so much breakfast cereal is sugar-frosted junk marketed directly to kids (a fact they can&#039;t dispute), you&#039;ve decided it&#039;s safer not to give her a taste for cereal — even "healthy" cereal — as a familiar comfort food.  It&#039;s a very short step from "healthy" Corn Flakes to Sugar Frosted Flakes, and subsequently to temper tantrums.</p>
<p>For the daycare provider, try to spin it positively instead of negatively.  Tell them that your child is much healthier, sleeps better, and behaves better at home when she always eats food containing complete protein (instead of the bread, cake, cookies, and other carb-heavy, no-protein snacks typically served to kids).  I&#039;m not a fan of claiming gluten intolerance, because then they&#039;ll just serve Rice Chex and Corn Pops.</p>
<p>If they absolutely won&#039;t let you give your daughter snacks to take with her, then give them an ultimatum.  If they still won&#039;t budge, find another daycare.  They&#039;re not the friggin&#039; Food Police.</p>
<p><strong>Most importantly, be calm yet firm.</strong>  You&#039;ll be told over and over that you&#039;re ENDANGERING THE HEALTH OF YOUR CHILD!!1!!1! by not feeding her sugary pablum and gluten-based junk.  </p>
<p>First, you have the right to raise your child as you see fit.  Period.  End of discussion.</p>
<p>Second, if they persist in trying to make the "logical" nutrition argument, ask them "So what essential nutrients are in cereal that aren&#039;t found in far greater quantities in <em>natural, whole, unprocessed foods</em> (these are great words to use) like eggs, vegetables, and meat?"  "We&#039;re all supposed to avoid the center of the grocery store and eat more vegetables, right?  I&#039;m starting her out with good eating habits, so her &#039;comfort foods&#039; later in life are healthy — not candy, cake, cookies, or McDonalds."</p>
<p>You can make the same argument for "hearthealthywholegrains": what nutrients aren&#039;t found in far greater quantities in natural, whole, unprocessed foods?</p>
<p>But remember, it&#039;s not about logic.  You won&#039;t convince anyone that you&#039;re correct.  The best you can hope for is <em>acceptance</em> — convincing them that you&#039;re not insane – and that you&#039;re doing this for good reasons that don&#039;t involve being part of a weird religious cult.</p>
<p>JS</p>
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        	        	<pubDate>Fri, 23 Dec 2011 17:14:38 -0800</pubDate>
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        	        	<description><![CDATA[<p>As a new mom and newly devoted paleo/primal/whatever you want to call it because it's a hundred times better than the SAD, this article has been enlightening. Too bad I can't shield my daughter from the ridiculous marketing, but at least I'll know that what she's eating at home is far superior to 95% of her peers. </p>
<p>Random question though: my daughter is just 6 months old and I've already had to deal with doctors and nurses questioning why I haven't started my daughter on cereal. At the daycare (which she hasn't yet attended) they said that they give all the kids snacks based on government recommendations. When I mentioned that she only just started eating avocado/veggies/and some fruits (she's been exclusively breastded), again I get the evil eye. What's a parent to do?</p>
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        	        	<pubDate>Fri, 23 Dec 2011 15:49:20 -0800</pubDate>
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        	        	<description><![CDATA[<p>PrimalNut:</p>
<p>Good question.  Anyone know any old mortuary workers?</p>
<p>Of course, the additional fat mass is a second uncontrolled variable.</p>
<p>JS</p>
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