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        	        	<description><![CDATA[<p>Martin:</p>
<p>I&#039;m partway through a series recounting the physical evidence we actually have about the evolution of our ancestors&#039; diet...<a href="/index/#BBRAEIndex" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">the index is here.</a> </p>
<p>Meanwhile, note that there is a major difference between "how much meat we require to stay alive in a modern world with free access to highly processed grain products" and "how much meat we require to stay alive in the Paleolithic world in which we evolved, in which we had access only to living foods, and in which we had only minimal and portable technology to process them."  Paleolithic people didn&#039;t have access to highly concentrated sources of refined carbohydrates (note: even "whole grain bread" is a highly refined food), and calories must come from somewhere.</p>
<p>JS</p>
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        	<title>Jen W on Always Be Skeptical Of Nutrition Headlines: Or, What "Red Meat Consumption and Mortality" (Pan et.al.) Really Tells Us</title>
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        	        	<description><![CDATA[<p>Martin,</p>
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<p>I imagine our ancestors ate an animal when they could catch it.  Also, I think it depends on how much of that steak someone is eating and how lean that steak is (a tenderloin is much leaner than a ribeye).  Most steaks/animal meat aren&#039;t all protein, they come with a certain amount of naturally occurring fat.</p>
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        	        	<pubDate>Sun, 17 Feb 2013 04:49:45 -0800</pubDate>
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        	<title>Martin @ Leaky Gut R on Always Be Skeptical Of Nutrition Headlines: Or, What "Red Meat Consumption and Mortality" (Pan et.al.) Really Tells Us</title>
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        	        	<description><![CDATA[<p>I understand that the data showing red meat consumption mortality risk is flawed, on the other hand, is there some study that would show that eating 3 steaks a day (which is what most paleo dieters do) is safe? Could our evolutionary requirement for meat be more like couple of bugs a day and an animal once a week?</p>
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        	        	<pubDate>Sun, 17 Feb 2013 00:19:08 -0800</pubDate>
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        	        	<description><![CDATA[<p>JayJay:</p>
<p>Who knew butter could be an act of civil disobedience?</p>
<p>Alex M:</p>
<p>That&#039;s a great article.  When so much money is at stake (especially sunk costs), it&#039;s quite profitable to cheat.</p>
<p>JS</p>
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        	        	<pubDate>Sat, 16 Feb 2013 02:38:54 -0800</pubDate>
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        	<title>Alex M on Always Be Skeptical Of Nutrition Headlines: Or, What "Red Meat Consumption and Mortality" (Pan et.al.) Really Tells Us</title>
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        	        	<description><![CDATA[<p>Even RCTs can be (and are) successfully gamed, by using non-inert placebos: <a href="http://asserttrue.blogspot.com/2013/01/are-placebos-really-sugar-pills.html" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://asserttrue.blogspot.com/2013/01/are-placebos-really-sugar-pills.html</a></p>
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        	        	<pubDate>Thu, 14 Feb 2013 15:30:32 -0800</pubDate>
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        	        	<description><![CDATA[<p>Hopefully you&#039;re right and that as bad as gets. Did anyone seriously think that putting a tax on real basic food was a good idea? Butter? Meat? FFS like Farmers don&#039;t have enough to worry about.</p>
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<p>Funnily enough everyone just went over the border to buy their fat foods cheaper and the small business lost out, of course.</p>
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<p>The more I read about it, the madder I get, so I better stop now and go eat some bacon.</p>
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        	        	<pubDate>Tue, 12 Feb 2013 17:43:59 -0800</pubDate>
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        	        	<description><![CDATA[<p>JayJay, Paul:</p>
<p>Any excuse to raise taxes is generally met with support by certain elements of the government. Hopefully the repeal of the saturated fat tax denotes the high water mark of the diet-heart hypothesis, and we can actually start making forward progress.</p>
<p>JS</p>
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        	        	<pubDate>Tue, 12 Feb 2013 14:23:52 -0800</pubDate>
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        	        	<description><![CDATA[<p>That is good news ... there were similar rumblings here in the UK.</p>
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        	        	<pubDate>Tue, 12 Feb 2013 03:19:23 -0800</pubDate>
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        	        	<description><![CDATA[<p>Denmarks fat Tax has being scrapped!!!!</p>
<p>Yippeee</p>
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        	        	<pubDate>Tue, 12 Feb 2013 00:29:58 -0800</pubDate>
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        	        	<description><![CDATA[<p>SP:</p>
<p><a href="http://rawfoodsos.com/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Raw Food SOS</a> is brilliant, and it&#039;s where I direct anyone who tells me to read The China Study or Forks Over Knives.</p>
<p>There&#039;s also some good information at <a href="http://www.beyondveg.com/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Beyond Vegetarianism</a>, and <a href="http://letthemeatmeat.com/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Let Them Eat Meat</a> explores the ethical dimensions of veg*anism vs. omnivorism.</p>
<p>JS</p>
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        	        	<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jan 2013 21:41:38 -0800</pubDate>
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        	<title>S.P.Vallance on Always Be Skeptical Of Nutrition Headlines: Or, What "Red Meat Consumption and Mortality" (Pan et.al.) Really Tells Us</title>
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        	        	<description><![CDATA[<p>Ah, thank you Jen! Much appreciated.</p>
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        	        	<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jan 2013 03:00:13 -0800</pubDate>
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        	        	<description><![CDATA[<p>I may not be JS, but rawfoodsos comes to mind as a site that&#039;s critical of veganism.  It&#039;s a site run by a former raw vegan I believe.</p>
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        	        	<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jan 2013 10:28:51 -0800</pubDate>
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        	        	<description><![CDATA[<p>"I think the latest one purports to show that meat-eaters beat their wives more often (not kidding).  Of course, the Third Factor in play is that vegetarians are many times more likely to be college-educated and of higher socioeconomic strata, and therefore much less likely to engage in domestic violence."<br />
WOW...just wow. That's just unbelievable. I have two friends, one of which is vegan and the other is vegetarian and I remember cooking red mince meat and my vegan friend made a sly remark saying, 'Heart disease...' and I had to hold my tongue, unfortunately. I'm glad I stumbled on your great site; it's not only informative but witty too, keep up the great work! P.S. Can you link me in the direction of a site and/or video that casts a critical eye on veganism specifically? Cheers.</p>
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        	        	<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jan 2013 06:35:50 -0800</pubDate>
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        	        	<description><![CDATA[<p>SP:</p>
<p>These articles seem to come out every year or two: yet another mining of the same known-bad data sets to produce another spurious association between reported meat consumption and something negative.</p>
<p>I think the latest one purports to show that meat-eaters beat their wives more often (not kidding).  Of course, the Third Factor in play is that vegetarians are many times more likely to be college-educated and of higher socioeconomic strata, and therefore much less likely to engage in domestic violence.</p>
<p>JS</p>
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        	        	<pubDate>Fri, 23 Nov 2012 15:50:13 -0800</pubDate>
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        	        	<description><![CDATA[<p>Fantastic article JS, both informative and witty. Brilliant.</p>
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