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        	<title>Razwell on There Is No Such Thing As A "Calorie" (To Your Body)</title>
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        	        	<description><![CDATA[<p>When you burn and set fire to a piece of food loaded with CARBON such as pizza carbon and oxygen "love" each other. Pizza is very flammable versus say lettuce. The carbon atoms and oxygen atoms snap in together  in the fire and rapidly jiggle in a big way then make atoms in the container jiggle transferring their  motions to their partner aneighbor atoms in the water , heating it up.Atoms have a near perfect elasticity. Such transfer of motions have NOTHING to do with human body fat, its chemical creation, nor any part of human metabolism or genetics or hormones . When atoms rapidly jiggle they release infrared  radiation known as heat</p>
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        	        	<description><![CDATA[<p>Joules calories etc. do NOT count as they are not anything at all.  They are proxies for the amount of carbon atoms/ carbon  material in food. A big pizza and Coke is saidxto have lots of joules or calories. What it actually has is A LOT of CARBON material your body has to breathe out. Another thing Guynet et al get WRONG is that you cannot burn joules or calories. You cannot burn a fictitious invention. Further, the  himan body's metabolism  is not even remotely combustion. You cannot burn food in the human body. It is a chemical cascade a chemical  redox reduction . Spread my comments far and wise to Guyenet and his friends  reaction</p>
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        	        	<pubDate>Sat, 08 Nov 2025 20:51:28 -0800</pubDate>
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        	        	<description><![CDATA[<p>I also wanted to say:Richard Feynman the late physicist from CalTech said himself When you hear of calories you are NOT literally eating an entity called calories. Nobody eats calories or joules. You can ONLY eat carbon, matter, stuff. Some thinfs such as radiation are also stuff , not matter, but still stuff. Radiation is not matter, but it IS STUFF. Radiation is N-O-T energy. It is wrong to ever call radiation energy.  Rather, energy , a number is assigned to radiation. Energy is a fiction for calculations convenience. No blogger in the fitness health blogosphere has the intellectual capacity to understand this.</p>
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        	        	<pubDate>Sat, 08 Nov 2025 20:42:53 -0800</pubDate>
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        	        	<description><![CDATA[<p>The calorie is an old outdated unit. Ee could drop kt and getvred of it entirely tomorrow. Energy and its equally fictitious units are not stuff- they are human invented fictions. We only need ONE UNIT for energy. You could use calories to calculate the yield of a thermonuclear bomb. You could use  joules , MeV, kilowatt- hours, BTU's for food. All the same, just various units, needless numbers of units. There is no such entity as a calorie or joule or kilo- watt hour or erg  PERIOD. What exists are fields and matter.The atoms, the CARBON atoms we eat. None of the idiot bloggers can understand this. They are all ignorant of physics. This is my comment for Nov. 9 2025</p>
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        	        	<pubDate>Sat, 08 Nov 2025 20:20:27 -0800</pubDate>
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        	<title>Razwell on There Is No Such Thing As A "Calorie" (To Your Body)</title>
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        	        	<description><![CDATA[<p>THere is NO SUCH ENTITY as energy, PERIOD. It is a human invented abstract FICTION we assign to objects to make equations balance out, bookeeping and CONVENIENCE.  NOR is there ANY such thing or stuff or anty as calories, joules,. ergs inverse fermions, mega cycles, no difference all the same. ALL FICTION. Energy, and its equally FICTITIOUS UNITS CANNOT ACT on a human body.</p>
<p>NONE of the bloggers UNDERSTANDS THIS!!!!!!</p>
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        	        	<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jan 2019 19:22:57 -0800</pubDate>
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        	<title>J. Stanton on There Is No Such Thing As A "Calorie" (To Your Body)</title>
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        	        	<description><![CDATA[<p>Paul:</p>
<p>"if somebody wanted to lose 10 kg, and he/ she did not care whether it came from muscle or fat or any kind of ratio of the two, calories in vs calories out would be entirely appropriate."</p>
<p><b>That has been conclusively disproven in multiple studies via well-controlled, peer-reviewed science.</b>  See the comment directly above yours for the links -- or those in the GIANT BOLD-FACED WARNING at the bottom of the article, both of which you neglected to read.</p>
<p>I'm sorry you're stuck in a long-disproven paradigm: it will make your life, and the lives of those to whom you issue your well-intentioned but utterly mistaken advice, much more difficult.</p>
<p>JS</p>
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        	        	<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jul 2014 17:35:58 -0700</pubDate>
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        	<title>Paul Quek on There Is No Such Thing As A "Calorie" (To Your Body)</title>
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        	        	<description><![CDATA[<p>You’re fucking retarded.</p>
<p>Calories in VS Calories out is completely accurate.</p>
<p>Your article is detailing how to lose weight in an appropriate manner whereby more fat is burned than muscle, AS OPPOSED TO merely losing weight HOWEVER IT IS.</p>
<p>Meaning if somebody wanted to lose 10 kg, and he/ she did not care whether it came from muscle or fat or any kind of ratio of the two, calories in vs calories out would be entirely appropriate.</p>
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        	        	<pubDate>Sat, 19 Jul 2014 02:52:15 -0700</pubDate>
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        	        	<description><![CDATA[<p>Jason:</p>
<p>I&#039;m glad you&#039;re experiencing success -- but if you are "gaining muscle and losing fat as I desire, without any difficulty whatsoever," <em>you are in a small minority.</em> </p>
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"The authors review studies of the long-term outcomes of calorie-restricting diets to assess whether dieting is an effective treatment for obesity.  These studies show that <em>one third to two thirds of dieters regain more weight than they lost on their diets </em>[emphasis mine], and these studies likely underestimate the extent to which dieting is counterproductive because of several methodological problems, all of which bias the studies toward showing successful weight loss maintenance." (<a href="http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17469900" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Mann 2007)</a></p>
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<p>And again, as you state, "so long as my diet is composed of a reasonable amount of each macronutrient, [...] and a sufficient variety/level of micronutrients, the only other factor that I need to concern myself with is calories."</p>
<p>So we&#039;ve established that a "calorie" of Coca-Cola is not equal to a "calorie" of wild Alaskan salmon, because one fulfills your macro and micronutrient needs, and one does not.</p>
<p>Unfortunately, macronutrients aren&#039;t all equal, either.  As I&#039;ve proven in subsequent installments, a "calorie" of coconut oil doesn&#039;t make you as fat as a "calorie" of butter, and neither makes you as fat as a "calorie" of carbohydrate (<a href="/3433/more-peer-reviewed-evidence-that-there-is-no-such-thing-as-a-calorie-to-your-body-part-iii/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Part III</a>); and a "calorie" of protein doesn&#039;t equal a "calorie" of anything else (<a href="/3460/protein-matters-yet-more-peer-reviewed-evidence-that-there-is-no-such-thing-as-a-calorie-to-your-body-part-iv/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Part IV</a>, <a href="/3559/calorie-cage-match-sugar-sucrose-vs-protein-and-honey-there-is-no-such-thing-as-a-calorie-part-vi/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Part VI</a>).</p>
<p>Then there is meal form and timing: a "calorie" of food makes you much fatter if you grind it into powder first (<a href="/3409/the-calorie-paradox-did-four-rice-chex-make-america-fat-part-ii-of-there-is-no-such-thing-as-a-calorie/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Part II</a>); a "calorie" of carbohydrate eaten at breakfast is not equal to a "calorie" of carb eaten at dinner (<a href="/3409/the-calorie-paradox-did-four-rice-chex-make-america-fat-part-ii-of-there-is-no-such-thing-as-a-calorie/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Part II</a>); intermittent fasting changes the amount of "calories" in food (<a href="/3615/intermittent-fasting-matters-sometimes-there-is-no-such-thing-as-a-calorie-to-your-body-part-viii/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Part VIII</a>)...</p>
<p>Unless you&#039;re weighing everything on a gram scale, your estimates of "calories" are so far off that differences of less than 20-30% will be totally masked by estimation error (<a href="/3484/can-you-really-count-calories-part-v-of-there-is-no-such-thing-as-a-calorie/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Part V</a>).  And we haven&#039;t even accounted for the effect of different foods on hunger and satiety (see my series <a href="/index/#WAWHIndex" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">"Why Are We Hungry?"</a>)</p>
<p><em>The one case in which "calorie counting" sort of works is when you&#039;re eating basically the same foods, just in greater or lesser quantities.</em>  And even then you&#039;ll have to make a very large change in "calories" to see a smaller change in bodyweight over time, in order to overcome measurement error (discussed above) and the fact that the 3500-calorie rule completely fails in all metabolic ward studies (<a href="/3409/the-calorie-paradox-did-four-rice-chex-make-america-fat-part-ii-of-there-is-no-such-thing-as-a-calorie/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Part II</a>). </p>
<p><strong>Result: almost all of us will produce better results by focusing on which foods we&#039;re eating, when we&#039;re eating them, and how they&#039;re processed than by focusing on the number of "calories" they contain.</strong> </p>
<p>Yes, if we&#039;re absolutely sure our diet is already optimal, we can start counting calories -- but doing that first, as is the current mainstream advice, usually just leaves us hungry and leads to failure.</p>
<p><em>And yes, one of my future installments will cover the question "So when is a calorie still a calorie?"</em>  There are some substitutions that don&#039;t seem to matter, e.g. substituting non-MCT fats for carbs, or vice versa, above ~10-15% carb intake.</p>
<p>JS</p>
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        	        	<pubDate>Mon, 03 Feb 2014 22:53:00 -0800</pubDate>
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        	        	<description><![CDATA[<p>I realize that this is an old post, but the comments still appear to be going, so I figured I'd say something.</p>
<p>I didn't read all of the comments, but I followed a decent part of the discussion between noko, Tim, and JS. Having said that, I do not understand the mentality of the posters who seem to suggest not counting calories, or that doing so is in some way ridiculous or laughable. Yes, it is true that the macronutrient and micronutrient compositions of a diet matter greatly. Yes, it is true that different foods have different thermal effects. Yes, it is true that food energy can be used in numerous different ways, and at least some of those ways are affected by the diet's composition itself. NEVERTHELESS, using "calories in, calories out" as a simple heuristic is often extremely beneficial. I have used it for years with great success, gaining muscle and losing fat as I desire, without any difficulty whatsoever. Concerning myself with details like TEF and different potential metabolic pathways has simply been completely unnecessary. The simple heuristic works well enough, and, in my experience, is optimal given the uncertainties and time investments that would be required to use some more detailed considerations.</p>
<p>Put simply (and yes, it is simplifying, but that is exactly the point!), I find that, so long as my diet is composed of a reasonable amount of each macronutrient -- given my activities, I try get around 1g of protein and at least .5g of fat per lb. of bodyweight -- and a sufficient variety/level of micronutrients, the only other factor that I need to concern myself with is calories. Once the levels of macronutrients and micronutrients are met, I generally eat whatever I want within my set caloric intake (which I establish using only "calories in, calories out" as my heuristic) and succeed, progress, and love life.</p>
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        	        	<description><![CDATA[<p>Jonny V:</p>
<p>As I&#039;ve said before, <strong>"Calories count...but they don&#039;t all count the same."</strong>  </p>
<p>I&#039;ve spent the next seven installments (with more to come!) exploring the myriad differences between naive CICO and observed reality.  (Links to <a href="/3409/the-calorie-paradox-did-four-rice-chex-make-america-fat-part-ii-of-there-is-no-such-thing-as-a-calorie/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Part II</a>, <a href="/3433/more-peer-reviewed-evidence-that-there-is-no-such-thing-as-a-calorie-to-your-body-part-iii/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Part III</a>, <a href="/3460/protein-matters-yet-more-peer-reviewed-evidence-that-there-is-no-such-thing-as-a-calorie-to-your-body-part-iv/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Part IV</a>, <a href="/3484/can-you-really-count-calories-part-v-of-there-is-no-such-thing-as-a-calorie/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Part V</a>, <a href="/3559/calorie-cage-match-sugar-sucrose-vs-protein-and-honey-there-is-no-such-thing-as-a-calorie-part-vi/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Part VI</a>, and <a href="/3586/carbohydrates-matter-at-least-at-the-low-end-there-is-no-such-thing-as-a-calorie-to-your-body-part-vii/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Part VII</a>.)  I hope they&#039;re useful to you.</p>
<p>And yes, CICO is a seductive myth, because it&#039;s simple and has the aura of science about it.  It&#039;s just physics, and physics is the most scientific of sciences, right?  You can&#039;t argue with the laws of Nature, etc.  Unfortunately, CICO reduces, in practice, to the belief that weight gain or loss is a direct product of calories ingested, physical exercise, <em>and nothing else.</em>  Thus, it ignores the rapidly accumulating scientific evidence that what you eat, how you eat it, and even <em>when</em> you eat it changes the number of effective "calories" in food -- and the evidence that <a href="/3484/can-you-really-count-calories-part-v-of-there-is-no-such-thing-as-a-calorie/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">it&#039;s impossible to estimate "calories"</a> within the bounds of the results we hope to obtain.</p>
<p>JS</p>
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        	        	<description><![CDATA[<p>This is an incredible post! I have been telling my friends about how CICO is completely wrong and a terrible metric, but I have been met with a lot of adversity. This post pretty much is the nail in the coffin. I wanted to write a post like this but you did a much better job than I could have! Thanks.</p>
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