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        	<title>J. Stanton on We Must Reclaim Human Health, Sustainability, Environmental Justice, And Morality From The Birdseed Brigade</title>
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        	        	<description><![CDATA[<p>Jurik:</p>
<p>Based on the archaeological record, I would argue that "wellness" long predates the Egyptians -- or any agricultural civilization!  </p>
<p>However, it is true that we are making the problem of "healthy eating" far too difficult.  As I said in another article: <a href="/2982/anti-nutritionism-l-canavanine-and-the-limitations-of-n1-self-experimentation/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Eat anything you could pick, dig, or spear.</a>  If we eat within that paradigm, we usually come out pretty well.</p>
<p>It&#039;s unfortunate that government subsidies for growing grains have made grass-fed meat so expensive!  Hopefully we&#039;re making it profitable enough that more ranchers will start producing it.</p>
<p>JS</p>
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        	        	<pubDate>Fri, 21 Mar 2014 00:17:52 -0700</pubDate>
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        	        	<description><![CDATA[<p>Hey, </p>
<p>The problem about lack of fruits in winter is very easy to solve. During the summer take a part of your fruits and dry them using solar power. It is a method used thousands of years on this earth. The biggest problem in the modern world, is that we are too much attached to our technologies. People lived on earth for thousands of years, even in the coldest parts of the world.</p>
<p>More than this I suggest everyone to switch to an alternative lifestyle check out <a title="What is Wellness" href="http://www.wellness.com/what-is-wellness" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">what is wellness</a> or any other resource to switch to a correct, tested by centuries lifestyle. Wellness and natural health has been on earth since egyptians. </p>
<p>It is scary to see what is happening to us, grass feeded animals are a luxury, I am here in europe and it is very hard to find such meats. People look at you like to an insane person when they hear something like that. For centuries people were fed with grass feeded animals - now it is hard to find it. Where does this world goes with this things?</p>
<p>Take care everyone, and I agree with the first part of the topic We Must Reclaim Human Health! We must untill we will not become somekind of zombies.</p>
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        	        	<pubDate>Thu, 20 Mar 2014 13:00:21 -0700</pubDate>
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        	<title>J. Stanton on We Must Reclaim Human Health, Sustainability, Environmental Justice, And Morality From The Birdseed Brigade</title>
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        	        	<description><![CDATA[<p>T. Williams:</p>
<p>I&#039;m glad <a href="http://www.thegnollcredo.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">The Gnoll Credo</a> spoke to you. </p>
<p>And I&#039;m glad to hear that something more sustainable than imported Spam is becoming available on the islands!  All that fresh volcanic soil might not be the best for agriculture, but one can certainly graze ruminants on it...</p>
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<p>pzo:</p>
<p>You&#039;re absolutely correct.  Fruits and veggies are seasonal: the only non-seasonal food sources for humans are meat and tubers.  And I&#039;ve noted before that vegetarianism and veganism are indeed religious in origin, although I haven&#039;t written an article on the subject.</p>
<p>Politics loves pseudoscience...it&#039;s a cloak of respectability thrown over naked greed.</p>
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<p>Asclepius:</p>
<p>"Ghost acres" is a great term which I haven&#039;t heard before (though I&#039;m familiar with the concept).  The ocean, in particular, has been strip-mined for protein ("fished", "trawled") for decades.  Any discussion of earth&#039;s "carrying capacity" that doesn&#039;t mention the impact of this unsustainable contribution is intellectually bankrupt.</p>
<p>JS</p>
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        	        	<pubDate>Thu, 16 May 2013 18:49:53 -0700</pubDate>
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        	        	<description><![CDATA[<p>@PZO - I&#039;ve blogged a bit about the modernity of veg*nism and how it is only really feasible in the West amongst the relatively affluent middle-classes who can afford out-of-season foods (with their attendent air miles and high carbon footprint). </p>
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<p>I&#039;ve also mentioned &#039;ghost acres&#039; - or &#039;phantom carrying capacity&#039;.  This is a measure of how trade and fishing are ways for the rich nations to gain extraterritorial acres to support themselves above and beyond the resources of their own land (usually at the expense of poorer nations).  Worth looking in to.</p>
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        	        	<pubDate>Thu, 09 May 2013 02:17:34 -0700</pubDate>
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        	        	<description><![CDATA[<p>The posting that refuses to die.  Your writings are not limited by time.  I see T. Williams posted just four days ago.</p>
<p>No one has ever addressed, here or elsewhere, that I've ever seen how vegetarianism and veganism are modern, recent diets that depend hugely on year round supplies of fresh and frozen foods from all over the world.  </p>
<p>All those nice grapes and apples flown in from Chile at great hydrocarbon expense are the most obvious examples.  Even here in Florida, mangoes are only a midsummer crop, and avacados in the fall. Summer is our winter as far as growing a vegetable garden, too hot and humid for most plants.  Yet, like anywhere in America, every delight is available at Publix year round. </p>
<p>I've found that vegans tend to be hugely scientifically illiterate, believing all kinds of mythology that someone else told them.  It's a religion without a god or goddess.  </p>
<p>It also occurs to me that The China Study is Ancel Keyes all over again.  Selected data, lies, and Cargill/ADM have been intentionally misleading the public for forty years now, against all our evolutionary instincts and preferences. </p>
<p>Carry on!</p>
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        	        	<pubDate>Wed, 08 May 2013 07:29:29 -0700</pubDate>
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        	        	<description><![CDATA[<p>J.S.:</p>
<p>Read the book, follow the site, love it! </p>
<p>A one time vegetarian I've converted myself and a few family, friends and co-workers to follow a "Paleo" approach, all have had astounding improvement in health and happiness.</p>
<p>Recently, relatively affordable grass fed beef has become available here on Oahu providing a sustainable food source and income for local ranchers.  This is only possible because the demand has been recognized and demand rose because people are being enlightened by sites like yours.</p>
<p>Keep up the good work!</p>
<p>TW</p>
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        	        	<pubDate>Sat, 04 May 2013 04:05:14 -0700</pubDate>
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        	        	<description><![CDATA[<p>Vegantic:</p>
<p>I do my best.  Thanks for the vote of support!</p>
<p>JS</p>
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        	        	<description><![CDATA[<p>The birdseed brigade!  I love it - you made me laugh out loud.</p>
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        	        	<pubDate>Wed, 10 Apr 2013 13:25:39 -0700</pubDate>
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        	        	<description><![CDATA[<p>Margaret:</p>
<p>Almost any diet is healthier than the Standard American Diet, because the first tenet of any diet is to cut out obvious junk like soda, candy, and Cheetos.  And the low-fat veg*ans eliminate, by necessity, massive amounts of pro-inflammatory omega-6-based "vegetable oils" from their diet, which is also healthy. </p>
<p>The problem with this scenario is that fasting becomes the ultimate in health, because you&#039;re not eating anything toxic!  Of course, you&#039;re not eating anything at all, and you starve to death.  I wrote about this here: <a href="/1596/vegans-are-cannibals-the-truth-behind-the-new-vegan-high/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">The New Vegan High</a>.</p>
<p>JS</p>
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        	        	<description><![CDATA[<p>Well said. What drives me nuts is that 99% of the population thinks a vegetarian diet is the healthiest diet and that "vegan" is the ultimate in health. And they have learned this from the popular media. I follow the Weston A. Price diet of whole foods--raw dairy, pastured meat and eggs from small farmers, seafood, wild-caught fish, vegetables, and a little fruit and soaked nuts. I just eliminated rice (my only grain). I eat no processed foods or sweets. My lunch at work consists of leftovers from my dinners and I never partake of the corporate pizza lunches (which would make me very ill), or the corporate candy. The other day, the receptionist said to a new employee, "Margaret always eats so healthy" and then he said to me, "oh, are you a vegetarian?". I just wanted to scream. I'm so tired of the assumption that vegetarian=healthy. My cousin informed me that she and her husband are now "mostly vegan" to be "proactive" about their health. I suppose it's better than the Standard American Diet, but they won't get the nutrients they need over the long-term.</p>
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        	        	<pubDate>Sun, 03 Mar 2013 13:17:45 -0800</pubDate>
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        	        	<description><![CDATA[<p>Katherine:</p>
<p>Unfortunately, both our Social Security system and our entire economic system of fractional reserve banking depend on infinite exponential growth to fund them, because they&#039;re both pyramid schemes.  This is why bankers and politicians are unwilling to face the problem.</p>
<p>JS</p>
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        	        	<description><![CDATA[<p>The issue is uncontrolled population growth and those who, like JM, not only support but encourage it. There really is no way to feed all the people we have in a sustainable way, and the idea of even voluntary population control has been silenced since the time of Reagan and the compromises he made to get the support of the Christian right.</p>
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        	        	<description><![CDATA[<p>J.M.:</p>
<p>I'm not sure why you bring up global climate change, as none of my points depend on it.  (Though any change will most certainly make the crises worse…and it doesn't matter what causes the change.  A broken window is a broken window.)  </p>
<p>And I'm pretty sure that none of the elite have the solution, either — because the global financial industry is dependent on infinite exponential growth, so what they're going to do is rig the game so they're holding all the real property when it collapses (see: Argentina) and start the whole game up again.  </p>
<p>The problem is that we're hitting some more hard limits.  Malthus was correct for centuries, up until the Haber process was discovered…and now that agricultural productivity is flattening out again and the free protein from the oceans is running out (not to mention the topsoil thing), we've got some new limitation that will be much more difficult, or impossible, to get around.</p>
<p>I think we're mostly in agreement, though, on the sequence of events: there's not one big Mad Max collapse.  What happens is things slowly get more expensive, more crowded, less reliable, and more third-world as the supply chains of heretofore inexhaustible resources become less and less dependable.  And there will be no benevolent entities working to prevent or mitigate the crises: their motivation will be to precipitate them in ways that allow them to profit.  See: the current Eurozone follies.</p>
<p>JS </p>
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