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        	        	<description><![CDATA[<p>dana:</p>
<p>Thank you for sharing your experience.  It&#039;s easy to talk about what humans "should" or "must have" eaten...but once you try to actually do it yourself, you realize very quickly that fat is the scarcest and most prized resource.</p>
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        	<title>dana pallessen on When The Conclusions Don't Match The Data: Even Loren Cordain Whiffs It Sometimes, Because Saturated Fat Is Most Definitely Paleo</title>
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        	        	<description><![CDATA[<p>great conversation and information above.  as someone who ONLY eats wild game.  it is the fat we seek.  sure the meat is tasty but it is the fat that tastes SO much better.  wild pig, deer, elk, fowl:duck, geese, grouse, doves.  all taste great with our home grown vegies, eggs  and herbs .  we also on occasion purchase the fat cut from beef at the butchers to supplement, grass fed butter and of course coconut oil.  we have eaten this way all our lives and have never been to an ama doctor. I and my husband are proof that if you EAT REAL FOOD you will stay as healthy as intended.</p>
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        	        	<pubDate>Sat, 28 Dec 2013 14:51:44 -0800</pubDate>
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        	        	<description><![CDATA[<p>Chris:</p>
<p>Low-fat "paleo" doesn&#039;t work for me, either.  If you restrict carbs, then you restrict fat, you&#039;ve got nothing left, because one can only process so much protein.  Result: involuntary deep calorie restriction -- and all the hunger, chills, low energy, and cravings that you get for free with crash diets.  </p>
<p>As far as dairy, I think casein is the most problematic part.  Butter has only trace amounts and is fine for me, and even the Whole 30 allows clarified butter now, which removes even those traces...but if I eat too much cheese or drink too much milk I get acne. </p>
<p>And while it&#039;s fashionable of late to say "Hey, I ate beans for a couple weeks and feel fine," that&#039;s not a useful data point, and I find myself growing more sympathetic to some of Cordain&#039;s suspicions of Neolithic foods: <a href="/2982/anti-nutritionism-l-canavanine-and-the-limitations-of-n1-self-experimentation/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">see this article</a>.  </p>
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        	        	<description><![CDATA[<p>J-<br />
If u get this, thanks for posting. I initially followed Cordains first book with catastrophic results six years ago. Why? Low fat ratios. I lost too much weight and gorged on nuts and large quantities of fruit to satisfy my hunger. After spending the next few years researching the holes in his early recommendations, I took a leap down fat avenue and everything changed.  Blood sugar stability, no desire to snack, energy for hours with no fluctuations. What kind of fats? Grass fed butter, lard, pork belly, tallow. Did I get fat? No. In fact, most uninformed people assume I'm a vegetarian. I'm actually offended by that. Anyway, I read a book about a year ago(author/title not in front of me) and a chapter touched on this and Cordain was mentioned. He was a friend of the author and he discussed Cordains mistake regarding fat percentages. It should come up in Paleo3, if published. Btw- I did give up butter. In my experience Cordain is correct on the dairy diss. However, I did quite well on butter for a few years and turned around an auto immune condition while consuming around 6 to 8 tbs a day. I think I will be even healthier without it.<br />
Best Wishes,<br />
Chris</p>
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        	        	<description><![CDATA[<p>Nick:</p>
<p>I might be confusing Fat Head with Tom&#039;s "Big Fat Fiasco" series.</p>
<p>JS</p>
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        	        	<description><![CDATA[<p>Fat Head actually critiques a 1953 paper of Keys' called "Atherosclerosis: A Problem In A New Public Health," not the Seven Countries Study.</p>
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        	        	<description><![CDATA[<p>Katherine:</p>
<p>His academic papers of the time repeat the dogma, and I can&#039;t speculate on the reasons.  Fortunately, he&#039;s backed off dramatically, and the field has long since moved on.</p>
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        	        	<pubDate>Thu, 29 Nov 2012 21:38:22 -0800</pubDate>
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        	        	<description><![CDATA[<p>Even worse, the recommendation in Cordain's book was to trim every speck of fat from the leanest meat you could buy, and then purchase perilla oil imported from Korea to supplement your diet. </p>
<p>That totally destroyed his credibility with me. But in reading his book, I got the feeling that his anti-fat stance was some sort of sop to get acceptance from the nutritional establishment, as being pro-sat-fat might have meant the book would end up in literary oblivion.</p>
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        	        	<pubDate>Wed, 28 Nov 2012 14:54:07 -0800</pubDate>
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        	        	<description><![CDATA[<p>Christine:</p>
<p>I believe you&#039;re correct...although I seem to recall an intermediate stage where SFA is bad, but only in the presence of excess carbohydrate (or something like that).  </p>
<p>Note my closing statement: "My purpose is not to trash Dr. Cordain: he’s done a great deal of good over the years, and “Origins and Evolution of the Western Diet” is a solid summary of the issues, one to which I’ve referred people many times."  I absolutely credit him with his work over many years, and we wouldn&#039;t be where we are if not for his efforts.  However, I believe it&#039;s instructive to know exactly <em>how and why</em> this particular stance is incorrect, because "Origins and evolution of the Western diet" is still widely cited.</p>
<p>JS</p>
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        	        	<description><![CDATA[<p>In Loren Cordain's defense (and I'm greatly indebted to the guy for opening my eyes to this way of eating in the first place), he has come around on the SFA issue and now acknowledges that his original hardline stance was misinformed.</p>
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        	        	<description><![CDATA[<p>Rick:</p>
<p>My facts are straight.</p>
<p>Adult caribou typically weigh 175# (small females) to 400# (large males) -- although bulls of 700# have been recorded.  (<a href="http://www.adfg.alaska.gov/index.cfm?adfg=caribou.main" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Source</a>.)</p>
<p>Adult bison weigh 1000# (small females) to 2000# (large males).  (<a href="http://www.oklanature.com/prod/bison/tgp_bison_info.html" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Source.</a>)</p>
<p>JS</p>
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        	        	<description><![CDATA[<p>"Even modern American bison (let alone ancestral bison) are many times larger than caribou."</p>
<p>BULLSHIT, bison are big but they're not multiple a caribou.</p>
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        	        	<pubDate>Fri, 03 Feb 2012 21:47:01 -0800</pubDate>
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        	        	<description><![CDATA[<p>Walter:</p>
<p>Fortunately he keeps such comments to a minimum, does an excellent job documenting the importance of fat in the diet of meat hunters (even if he doesn&#039;t understand exactly why...limited ability to process protein), and doesn&#039;t claim that it was somehow unhealthy for them.</p>
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        	        	<description><![CDATA[<p>Sorry about the bad HTML tag above. The book is "Imagining Head Smashed In_</p>
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        	        	<description><![CDATA[<p>Sad, that the author of <a href="/1403/hunters-must-have-been-smart-they-invented-agriculture-a-review-of-jack-brinks-imagining-head-smashed-in-and-george-frisons-survival-by-hunting/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Imagining Head Smashed In</a> was so anti fat. Shows how obviously very astute people can be hypnotized by society. </p>
<p>Page 41 and thereabouts even more anti fat statements</p>
<p>" Camped in the middle of a barren, demanding landscape, living on a restricted diet and with limited source of heat, we found that in a matter of a few weeks we experienced a craving for fat – devouring chocolate bars, peanut butter, oily sardines, and even eating spoonfuls of margarine right out of the tub. Though I shudder at the thought now, at the time there was nothing I wanted more than fat."</p>
<p>[Fixed the HTML -JS]</p>
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