GNOLLS.ORG - Topic: Why Are We Hungry? Part 2: Hunger Is The Product Of Multiple Perceptions And Motivations, Sometimes Conflicting http://www.gnolls.org/forums/comment-threads/why-are-we-hungry-part-2-hunger-is-the-product-of-multiple-perceptions-and-motivations-sometimes-conflicting/ Simple:Press Version 5.7.5.3 J. Stanton on Why Are We Hungry? Part 2: Hunger Is The Product Of Multiple Perceptions And Motivations, Sometimes Conflicting http://www.gnolls.org/forums/comment-threads/why-are-we-hungry-part-2-hunger-is-the-product-of-multiple-perceptions-and-motivations-sometimes-conflicting/page-2/#p6336 Comment Threads http://www.gnolls.org/forums/comment-threads/why-are-we-hungry-part-2-hunger-is-the-product-of-multiple-perceptions-and-motivations-sometimes-conflicting/page-2/#p6336 wangfeng:

Contact me through http://www.gnolls.org/contact/ and we'll discuss it!

JS

]]> Thu, 31 Oct 2013 19:10:32 -0700 wangfeng on Why Are We Hungry? Part 2: Hunger Is The Product Of Multiple Perceptions And Motivations, Sometimes Conflicting http://www.gnolls.org/forums/comment-threads/why-are-we-hungry-part-2-hunger-is-the-product-of-multiple-perceptions-and-motivations-sometimes-conflicting/page-2/#p6315 Comment Threads http://www.gnolls.org/forums/comment-threads/why-are-we-hungry-part-2-hunger-is-the-product-of-multiple-perceptions-and-motivations-sometimes-conflicting/page-2/#p6315 Hi,Stanton. Thank you for this great series of articles. I’ve learned a lot form it. Can I translate these articles to Chinese and post it on my blog?

]]> Mon, 28 Oct 2013 18:23:53 -0700 Why Are We Hungry? P on Why Are We Hungry? Part 2: Hunger Is The Product Of Multiple Perceptions And Motivations, Sometimes Conflicting http://www.gnolls.org/forums/comment-threads/why-are-we-hungry-part-2-hunger-is-the-product-of-multiple-perceptions-and-motivations-sometimes-conflicting/page-2/#p2021 Comment Threads http://www.gnolls.org/forums/comment-threads/why-are-we-hungry-part-2-hunger-is-the-product-of-multiple-perceptions-and-motivations-sometimes-conflicting/page-2/#p2021 [...] Why Are We Hungry? Part II: Hunger Is The Product Of Multiple Perceptions And Motivations, Sometimes Conflicting September 9, 2011By: J. Stanton Read the Full Post at: GNOLLS.ORG [...]

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]]> Tue, 23 Aug 2011 00:19:33 -0700 J. Stanton on Why Are We Hungry? Part 2: Hunger Is The Product Of Multiple Perceptions And Motivations, Sometimes Conflicting http://www.gnolls.org/forums/comment-threads/why-are-we-hungry-part-2-hunger-is-the-product-of-multiple-perceptions-and-motivations-sometimes-conflicting/page-2/#p1605 Comment Threads http://www.gnolls.org/forums/comment-threads/why-are-we-hungry-part-2-hunger-is-the-product-of-multiple-perceptions-and-motivations-sometimes-conflicting/page-2/#p1605 MarkD:

There are a lot of factors, but that's probably one of them.  Rice as a source of starch vs. wheat is another.

JS

]]> Fri, 29 Jul 2011 01:47:00 -0700 MarkD on Why Are We Hungry? Part 2: Hunger Is The Product Of Multiple Perceptions And Motivations, Sometimes Conflicting http://www.gnolls.org/forums/comment-threads/why-are-we-hungry-part-2-hunger-is-the-product-of-multiple-perceptions-and-motivations-sometimes-conflicting/page-2/#p1603 Comment Threads http://www.gnolls.org/forums/comment-threads/why-are-we-hungry-part-2-hunger-is-the-product-of-multiple-perceptions-and-motivations-sometimes-conflicting/page-2/#p1603 “Conclusion: This study shows that greater oral sensory exposure to a product, by eating with small bite sizes rather than with large bite sizes and increasing OPT [oral processing time], significantly decreases food intake.”

So this explains why my asian friends are all so damn skinny. There is only so much food you can fit on a chopstick compared to a fork. Therefore people from asian cultures can only eat in small bites. Mystery solved!

]]> Thu, 28 Jul 2011 16:59:57 -0700 J. Stanton on Why Are We Hungry? Part 2: Hunger Is The Product Of Multiple Perceptions And Motivations, Sometimes Conflicting http://www.gnolls.org/forums/comment-threads/why-are-we-hungry-part-2-hunger-is-the-product-of-multiple-perceptions-and-motivations-sometimes-conflicting/page-2/#p1576 Comment Threads http://www.gnolls.org/forums/comment-threads/why-are-we-hungry-part-2-hunger-is-the-product-of-multiple-perceptions-and-motivations-sometimes-conflicting/page-2/#p1576 Fmgd:

Lack of satiety affects all the other components.  I'll be discussing that very soon!

JS

]]> Mon, 25 Jul 2011 23:40:33 -0700 Fmgd on Why Are We Hungry? Part 2: Hunger Is The Product Of Multiple Perceptions And Motivations, Sometimes Conflicting http://www.gnolls.org/forums/comment-threads/why-are-we-hungry-part-2-hunger-is-the-product-of-multiple-perceptions-and-motivations-sometimes-conflicting/page-2/#p1574 Comment Threads http://www.gnolls.org/forums/comment-threads/why-are-we-hungry-part-2-hunger-is-the-product-of-multiple-perceptions-and-motivations-sometimes-conflicting/page-2/#p1574 Sure, I agree on the importance of looking at the separate components, if it sounded like I didn't I worded it poorly. My main doubt is wether low satiety could make satiation harder to attain or, since satiation might be somewhat more "mechanical", if it simply raised want so that you'd have to eat more before you feel like it's not worth it anymore.

Oh, and thank for the link.

]]> Mon, 25 Jul 2011 13:49:22 -0700 J. Stanton on Why Are We Hungry? Part 2: Hunger Is The Product Of Multiple Perceptions And Motivations, Sometimes Conflicting http://www.gnolls.org/forums/comment-threads/why-are-we-hungry-part-2-hunger-is-the-product-of-multiple-perceptions-and-motivations-sometimes-conflicting/page-2/#p1573 Comment Threads http://www.gnolls.org/forums/comment-threads/why-are-we-hungry-part-2-hunger-is-the-product-of-multiple-perceptions-and-motivations-sometimes-conflicting/page-2/#p1573 Fmgd:

As a counterpoint to the "eat frequent meals" dogma, there is this study.

And as far as "I just realised I'm kinda asking if prolonged hunger can make one overeat lol", the answer is "Well, yes, but it's important to look at the parts of the argument and make sure they add back up to a sane real-world result".  If they didn't, then my motivational disassembly would be worthless.  A lot of science is figuring out how something works that everyone already knows to be true.

Melissa:

The problem is that while ghrelin varied sharply, actual ratings of hunger didn't.  "For the measure of hunger, these analyses produces no significant main or interaction effects as a function of shake, time or restrained eating."

So it's an interesting data point, and I'm a big ghrelin fan...but ghrelin isn't just the "make you hungry hormone".  As I said, we still don't fully understand the biochemical cascades and equilibria.

Evan:

I get the same reaction.  If I IF and don't absolutely pig out at my first meal, I can still eat more a couple hours later, as soon as some room gets cleared out in my stomach.

There's a great study in my "The Breakfast Myth" series which shows breakfast skipping is not completely compensated for by lunch and dinner calories.  So you're definitely eating a lot...but, most likely, not quite as much as you would have otherwise.

Paul:

I tend to use how I feel a couple hours later as a guide.  As I mention above, satiation can be fooled, and dessert (for me) isn't a reliable guide: I can always pack in some ice cream or cheesecake.

That being said, I've definitely had the "my stomach is bloated with food but I'm still hungry" feeling, due to not eating what my body needed at the time.

JS

]]> Mon, 25 Jul 2011 02:13:01 -0700 Paul Halliday on Why Are We Hungry? Part 2: Hunger Is The Product Of Multiple Perceptions And Motivations, Sometimes Conflicting http://www.gnolls.org/forums/comment-threads/why-are-we-hungry-part-2-hunger-is-the-product-of-multiple-perceptions-and-motivations-sometimes-conflicting/#p1571 Comment Threads http://www.gnolls.org/forums/comment-threads/why-are-we-hungry-part-2-hunger-is-the-product-of-multiple-perceptions-and-motivations-sometimes-conflicting/#p1571 Throwing something into this potential reply, it is often said that if you eat slowly you feel full on less food. Gorging when you're hungry, as in packing down as much food as you can in as short a time as you can will lead to feeling full without necessarily getting to the point that your body has all it will need for a few hours. Eat more slowly and you might reach that point long before you've finished the mass of food in front of you. So long as it's "real food".

Since going paleo, I use the following as my indicator - if I've eaten a meal and I long for a dessert, I have not made a "good meal". I learn from that and adjust the proportions accordingly for the next meal, savouring hunger in between. Read J's post on ghrelin! If I make a meal and I am not fulfilled, bodily, I have failed. That said, our primitive man might well have been in that situation often and relied more upon simply stuffing himself as full of fresh meat as he could, gnawing on some plants later on when the desire to eat more (variety) hit him.

I'm not answering anything here, just dropping something more into the dish Wink

]]> Sat, 23 Jul 2011 14:33:51 -0700 Fmgd on Why Are We Hungry? Part 2: Hunger Is The Product Of Multiple Perceptions And Motivations, Sometimes Conflicting http://www.gnolls.org/forums/comment-threads/why-are-we-hungry-part-2-hunger-is-the-product-of-multiple-perceptions-and-motivations-sometimes-conflicting/#p1569 Comment Threads http://www.gnolls.org/forums/comment-threads/why-are-we-hungry-part-2-hunger-is-the-product-of-multiple-perceptions-and-motivations-sometimes-conflicting/#p1569 Stanton,

I meant to type "more, regular meals", as in more meals in regular intervals.

Eddie,

Thanks. I had read it already, and those are the "usual confounding factors" I meant.

@Both of you,

I haven't made yself clear, sorry. My question is basically if having low satiety for a long time would mean a spike in want which would in turn (and this is the link I'm not completely sure of) make satiation harder to attain, maybe even (at least) in part due to a higher reward in the diminishing returns scenario.

I just realised I'm kinda asking if prolonged hunger can make one overeat lol

]]> Fri, 22 Jul 2011 20:00:52 -0700 eddie watts on Why Are We Hungry? Part 2: Hunger Is The Product Of Multiple Perceptions And Motivations, Sometimes Conflicting http://www.gnolls.org/forums/comment-threads/why-are-we-hungry-part-2-hunger-is-the-product-of-multiple-perceptions-and-motivations-sometimes-conflicting/#p1567 Comment Threads http://www.gnolls.org/forums/comment-threads/why-are-we-hungry-part-2-hunger-is-the-product-of-multiple-perceptions-and-motivations-sometimes-conflicting/#p1567 fmgd: check the link i posted above and he goes into that in good detail.
initially most of the epidemiological studies will have picked up on a certain type of person who eats more regularly: those with weight loss goals who also exercise don't eat crap and count calories, compared to the people who eat 3 squares and of course they will weigh less.

the other thing is that meal skippers (breakfast typically) are often the people who will then grab a donut or other high sugar junk food item, compare them to 3 squares and they'll probably score higher BMI's, but compare them to deliberate IFers and you're likely to get a totally different result.

]]> Fri, 22 Jul 2011 15:15:46 -0700 Evan on Why Are We Hungry? Part 2: Hunger Is The Product Of Multiple Perceptions And Motivations, Sometimes Conflicting http://www.gnolls.org/forums/comment-threads/why-are-we-hungry-part-2-hunger-is-the-product-of-multiple-perceptions-and-motivations-sometimes-conflicting/#p1566 Comment Threads http://www.gnolls.org/forums/comment-threads/why-are-we-hungry-part-2-hunger-is-the-product-of-multiple-perceptions-and-motivations-sometimes-conflicting/#p1566 Could you possibly cover how the concepts of being sated/satiated would apply to intermittent fasting (16/8, 20/4, etc versions)?

My n=1 evidence shows that I become satiated after eating my "first" meal (lets say, 12oz ribeye) but I can still eat more, and do, shortly after (30 min to 3 hrs later). Basically, I eat a lot in a short time span.

Also - would this mean that the body would actively seek to maintain its current body mass (aka: set point theory)? Put another way, I haven't received enough nutrients/calories/etc to maintain 500lbs, thus I require more, signal hunger cue?

]]> Fri, 22 Jul 2011 12:54:31 -0700 Melissa on Why Are We Hungry? Part 2: Hunger Is The Product Of Multiple Perceptions And Motivations, Sometimes Conflicting http://www.gnolls.org/forums/comment-threads/why-are-we-hungry-part-2-hunger-is-the-product-of-multiple-perceptions-and-motivations-sometimes-conflicting/#p1561 Comment Threads http://www.gnolls.org/forums/comment-threads/why-are-we-hungry-part-2-hunger-is-the-product-of-multiple-perceptions-and-motivations-sometimes-conflicting/#p1561 Mind over milkshakes: mindsets, not just nutrients, determine ghrelin response. Crum, A. J. et al., Health Psychology 2011 Jul;30(4):424-429.

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