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Carbohydrates Matter, At Least At The Low End (There Is No Such Thing As A "Calorie" To Your Body, Part VII)
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December 26, 2013
1:41 pm
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"The RS stuff is very interesting, but it's being oversold so hard (I've already encountered several straight-up misrepresentations of the scientific literature) that I don't take any of the hype at face value."

Ty for that JS. The core issue here is that the world's expert on fibers of all kinds, Dr. J Slavin of Minnesota, is happy to remark that different people digest different amounts of various fibers. There are people who do digest supposed "insoluble" fiber, depending on their microbiome, just as there are apparently people who can digest a large amount of that "resistant" starch.

Notice that altho' Slavin is the recognized expert, the starch proponents never cite her work at all. They just avoid the tower that is her research. Wonder why?

December 26, 2013
5:56 pm
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Hi JS! This is sorta off-topic but I've been a fan of your writings for a while and would be interested in your take on the following carb tale.

I am struggling with high cholesterol and digestive issues and have been following a basically paleo / predator diet, with no grains or starches. (Rice and potatoes crash my digestion.) I gave up wheat a long time ago, too. BUT ...

I recently caught a virus and felt really sick. The only thing I wanted to eat in the world was saltine crackers and digestive biscuits. So I ate saltine crackers and digestive biscuits. And I felt great. My digestion handled these processed, gluten-loaded, trans-fatty (?) morsels of wheat like a dream. My energy rebounded, and right now I'm feeling tons better. What do you think is going on here???

December 26, 2013
9:29 pm
greensleeves
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"What do you think is going on here???"

I suggest that, like Melissa McEwen, you restricted yourself long enough to let yourself heal, and now you can perhaps experiment with a more WAPF-style diet in a careful way, if that interests you.

December 27, 2013
9:18 pm
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greensleeves:

I'm not familar with Dr. Slavin's work, but I found and read her CV at your recommendation, and there's a lot there for me to investigate once I've covered my current subjects.  (That will take a while!)

Remember, I said all the way back in mid-2012 that "Insulin, leptin, “food reward”, and the hypothalamus have all taken their turns: I predict gut flora will be the Next Big Thing."  And here it is! 

I further predict that most of the effects of RS will be due to its increase of serotonin production -- which may be a good thing in the short term if you're dealing with insulin resistance and MetS, but which also explains many problems of the non-responders and negative-responders...and whose long-term effects may or may not be desirable, again depending on your individual metabolic history.

JS

December 27, 2013
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phd-er:

1. If you've been avoiding starches, you're probably VLC.  Some people do better with some starches in their diet. To avoid the ones that give you trouble, try taking a tbsp of vinegar here and there, and follow the info from Norm Robillard's "Fast Tract Digestion" series (GERD/acid reflux, IBS/SIBO), which ranks foods according to their fermentation potential.  I know people having success with this protocol.

2. As greensleeves said, the longer you've been paleo, the more your gut heals and the more tolerant you'll be towards gluten.  When I had only been paleo for a couple months, I cheated on pizza once and felt like I had been drugged: I walked around for an hour or so instead of driving straight home, because I didn't feel safe to drive!  Now I suffer only constipation and a bit of the non-specific blahs.

That doesn't mean gluten is suddenly better for you...if you start cheating on a regular basis, you'll probably lose your tolerance again!  Again, check out Robillard's book for a guide to carbohydrates that should play nice with your gut.

JS

December 30, 2013
9:00 pm
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"I'm not familar with Dr. Slavin's work, but I found and read her CV at your recommendation, and there's a lot there for me to investigate once I've covered my current subjects."

Well good luck, JS. Slavin is apparently the expert on the gov't food guidelines who dictated the fiber, grain & veggie parts. If you wanna attack those, wrestling with Slavin's research will be inevitable.

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greensleeves:

I glanced through a couple recent papers and they seemed reasonable.  Of course, how they're represented, and how the government uses them to justify policy, are probably another matter entirely!

JS

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