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"Eat Like A Predator, Not Like Prey": Paleo In Six Easy Steps, A Motivational Guide
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February 10, 2014
8:25 am
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Thank you, J. I am really finding this to be a sustainable life style. I enjoy my food. I do have one other question. CW says I should have a minimum of 25 grams of fiber per day and I am struggling with this. Is this factor important? Most days I am below anywhere from 5 - 20. I am. 5'3", 145ibs and small bones. I am working my way down to 125. I don't have any physical issues with the lower fibre. Thank you again and I'll try not to bother you anymore.

February 10, 2014
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Valerie:

Don't worry about fiber.  

Insoluble fiber is just indigestible gunk that impairs absorption of nutrients: DART, the only controlled study on insoluble fiber, saw a 20% increase in all-cause mortality from the high-fiber group. 

Soluble fiber is trickier: there are about a million kinds, each of which is a different indigestible sugar that we can't process but our gut bacteria sometimes can.  Whether that's a good thing depends on which gut bacteria you have, and whether the sugars are feeding the good ones or the bad ones.

In general, unless you're dealing with GERD, IBS, or other digestive issues, "fiber" falls squarely in the "just eat real food and don't worry about it" category.  Recommending a high fiber intake is mostly just a way to push more whole-grain products at you (which are conveniently high in insoluble fiber...actually proven to be harmful!)

JS

February 19, 2014
12:17 pm
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"In general, unless you're dealing with GERD, IBS, or other digestive issues, “fiber” falls squarely in the “just eat real food and don't worry about it” category. Recommending a high fiber intake is mostly just a way to push more whole-grain products at you (which are conveniently high in insoluble fiber…actually proven to be harmful!)"
J do you have any idea how what sort of advice is good for someone who is suffering with issues like this?
i have a friend who has identified gluten as an issue but standard advice is still "eat a breakfast high in fibre of the cereal kind...

February 21, 2014
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eddie watts:

GERD?  IBS-D? (diarrhea)  IBS-C? (constipation)  I'll need more info to provide you with any useful information...

JS

February 26, 2014
10:24 am
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thanks J, it is IBS-D (diarrhea) I just found out

"Yup gastro said it was just IBS and wont do any further test as he said it would be looking for problems to treat which can often make things worse (but then he also said to eat porridge in the morning and I'm only just recovering from that!). Controlling with diet no wheat, low dairy, nothing that causes gas/bloating etc. Bit suspicious of sugar but I am not giving up my chocolate cake and biscuits!

Oh symptoms, it is mostly the dreaded 'D' and not being able to leave my toilet that is the problem. i don't get a lot in the way of pain or anything it's mostly not digesting and having things shoot through when it's really bad. Loo urgency is the worst! This has caused weight loss and general want to hide in bedness."

March 3, 2014
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eddie:

First, get Dr. Norm Robillard's book on IBS: Fast Tract Digestion.  IBS-D is usually a bacterial overgrowth problem, and sticking to low fermentation foods will help a great deal.

Vinegar will be very helpful.  Have them take a tablespoon with meals.  It's good for many other reasons, but the primary one here is that it's bactericidal and will help knock down the SIBO.

Gluten-free is a must, because gluten is a continual gut irritant even if you're not celiac or "gluten-sensitive".

Then, once things are under control somewhat, they can start experimenting with fermented vegetables (not fermented dairy) in order to try and repopulate with better gut bacteria.

This is the entire protocol for gut health, minus the hype, obfuscation, and anti-low-carb bushwah that's been clogging up the paleosphere lately.  Now you know!

JS

April 1, 2014
5:31 am
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humans are herbivores, just as i said earlier. our main source of food is grains! instead of eating grass we eat grains! we were never meant to eat meat so you are telling us to replace grains with meat? replace our main source of food with something we arent meant to eat? we are herbivores and meat arent good for us.

i hope you would stop spreading pseudoscience.

April 1, 2014
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April 1, 2014
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big juicy:

The first archaeological evidence for regular grain consumption only appears ~17000 years ago (Ohalo II, Israel), whereas the evidence for regular meat consumption dates back about 2.6 million years -- and we have evidence going back to 3.4 MYA!

For extra credit, try eating wheat or beans in their raw state.  (It's best to be near a hospital for the latter.)

 

Paul:

Sadly it would appear not!

JS

April 7, 2014
8:27 pm
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I'm slowly rereading through all your posts. Need to get my Paleo classic fix. Since most paleo bloggers are going WAPF these days. When I first went lc paleo I did high fat. Bulletproof coffee, high fat dairy, lots of coconut oil and bacon. I've since cut dairy except butter. Use coconut oil but don't main line it anymore. Coffee black. Use bacon more for a garnish. I've always had an interest in native American hunter/gatherer culture.

"Native Americans survived largely on meat, fish, plants, berries, and nuts

An assortment of berries are now my Carb source . Meat and nuts are my protein and fat. Also sardines, salmon , smelt and oysters. Herbs and veges round it out. I love the simplicity and prefer berries to starch.

My question is your opinion on nuts. Most have an extreme fear of pufas but nuts have been a huge part of native diets. The Pinyon nut was a staple for SW Natives. Mongongo nut is 50% of another's diet. I love their energy density. Why does paleo frown upon a food source that was so prevalent in native cultures?
But most embrace dairy .

April 8, 2014
10:21 am
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I forgot lots of eggs from our chickens.
I just feel better and TMI is great with replacing dairy fat and heaps of coconut oil with the fat, carbs and protein from nuts. I'm ordering raw pinyon nuts in the shell in the fall when they are harvested. The natives americans have utilized them for around 10,000 years. OK..that's my rant. 🙂

April 8, 2014
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"Eat what's fresh in your area" is a good guide: usually that means fruit and veggies during spring and summer, nuts and tubers in fall and winter, fish and shellfish when you can get them, and red meat anytime. If we needed nutrients from twenty different kinds of plants every week, we would never have survived winter!

Sorry, I kept reading and you are not anti- nut as alot of pufa fearing paleos. It just never sat well with me that paleo deserts with lots of dairy could be better than a few ounces of nuts a day.

April 10, 2014
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bea:

"Since most paleo bloggers are going WAPF these days."

I don't think it's even WAPF: it's just "Carbs sure are tasty" coupled with the fallacy of "I ate it for three months and I feel fine."  I wrote a long article on this very subject here, and it's as relevant now as it was when I wrote it.

Nuts are generally discouraged because they tend to be very high in omega-6 fats, with a few exceptions like macadamias.  I'm coming to the conclusion that the harmful effect of n-6 is mostly in the context of energy surplus, poor nutrition, and year-round consumption: for instance, if you're dieting, almonds in particular seem to be a great way to lose weight.  And yes, pine nuts are delicious!

"Eat what's fresh in your area" is indeed an excellent guide.  Lots of foods are fine to eat for a couple weeks, but strongly fattening (or otherwise unhealthy) if eaten in great quantities year-round.

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April 10, 2014
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East SLOP! Seasonal, local, organic & pastured!

I've been on this kick, along with a general "predator" attitude for a good while now and whatever experimentation I do, be it potatoes, dairy, lentils, beans and whatever other fringe elements become "paleo flavour of the month", I always come back to the same place ...

Gorge during the evening feast, fast ... perhaps begin eating again from around noon, light, protein-rich and fatty foods like a simple fish, avocado, boiled eggs, that kind of thing mimicing the kind of foods that a hunter/gatherer might easily catch, grab or collect during a day. Back round to evening feast ... and repeat.

I'm a confident, experimental and actually quite a fancy cook, but I am simplifying more and more and more. What we eat is not boring, it's simple, excellently prepared and extremely tasty. Less is more. Timing and attitude is as important as the food itself.

In terms of seasonality, for a couple of years I followed a website 'Eat the Seasons' which detailed what was in season. I'm in my groove now, but what was difficult was not eating seasonally, but finding food which has been grown seasonally. Food is grown all year round in poly-tunnels. The seasonal food we eat today could well have been grown six months ago, completely out of season. Does it matter?

Meat is easier, since animals do grow seasonally, but fish is very much along the same lines as vegetables, with the popular varieties being available pretty much all year around. One of our local supermarkets is bucking the trend and it heavily pushing fish in its season, buying in what is in season and explaining why, say, cod on this particular day would not be a good thing, since they're all young and still growing. Sure, have cod if you like, but it will be from the deep freeze and caught when it was matured.

I'm a fish eater, largely, meat is not regular. I'm particularly looking forward to seeing what this supermarket is going to give us.

So, combine the attitude and timing of 'Eat Like a Predator' with a local, seasonal, organic and pastured kick and you're probably going to be eating about as well as you can. Understand that body shapes may well change through the year, too, perhaps larger through the winter months, leaner through the warmer summer months.

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April 11, 2014
7:45 pm
bea
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Thanks for the replys and your right it's not as much wapf as "carbs are yummy". I don't think avoiding the n -6 in nuts is necessary in a healthy paleo diet. I like foods with high energy density in a small package. I can get the calories with out the bulk.
SLOP is a good guide ..thanks.
I'm glad I quit the bulletproof coffee and coconut oil. I only use it lightly for cooking now. LC Dr Robert Su MD just recently passed and wrote that supplementing c.o on an already lc diet damaged his health. He said generating excessive ketones that are not burned through heavy exercise or can be excreted
is unsafe. Mild natural intermittent ketosis via lc diet OK. I was starting to feel weird from a tbsp in my coffee. Just not really natural as it turns to energy so fast. It's like the white rice of fats. I guess the extremes at both ends can lead to ketoacidosis!

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Paul:

"whatever experimentation I do, be it potatoes, dairy, lentils, beans and whatever other fringe elements become "paleo flavour of the month", I always come back to the same place …"

I feel the same way.  Is a small mound of tarka dal or meser wat tasty, every once in a while?  Sure, if it's prepared and spiced just right.  But it doesn't leave me sated like meat, fish, or eggs, which need only a little salt (if that).

It's important to note that it's possible to eat seasonally simply by buying produce that is on sale.  Raspberries are never cheap in December.

 

bea:

Bulletproof coffee is strong stuff!  Most people don't need the coconut oil, as caffeine stimulates lipolysis, which frees your own fat to be burned (this is one reason caffeine is an appetite suppressant).

I'm not sure the extra ketones are actually harmful -- but I don't think they're necessary for most people, and they're actually counterproductive to fat loss.  Coffee alone is usually plenty of stimulation.

JS

April 13, 2014
11:33 pm
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I did not think excess ketones were harmful or C.O on a LC diet till I read Dr Su s blog. Here are some warnings from him.

I had improved my health with remarkable physical strength for seven years since October 2002 with my own carbohydrate-restricted, fat-rich diet. In the fall of 2009, I began to take two tablespoons of coconut oil daily, and three tablespoons of it during the final month in the spring of 2012 when I became symptomatic severely. In the summer of 2010, I began to experience exertional angina. Besides, I got hypertension, cardiac arrhythmia, carotid atherosclerosis with 80-99.5% of occlusion in my right internal carotid………. Thanks to maintaining my carbohydrate-restricted diet, I did not have hyperglycemia but still had 2(+) ketone in the urine in a test done in the spring of 2012. I stopped using coconut oil immediately after that. However, the damages are done and need the time for me to reverse them. WIth my own experience, I hope you would take extra caution in checking your urinary ketone if you are consuming as much coconut oil as I did.
I knew some people thought ketosis is a good thing and had tried to become as much ketosis as possible by using coconut oil and/or MCTs, when they adopted low carb high fat diet. They should know dietary ketosis without adding coconut oil and/or MCTs should be safe, if the individual is not diabetic and has functioning insulin, which should keep gluconeogenesis in check and prevent a high level of ketosis. However, ketosis by consuming excess coconut oil and/or MCTs is not subject to the function of insulin, as far as I know.

April 17, 2014
12:07 am
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I am following paleo as best I can right now. At the moment I am deployed to Afghanistan which makes it difficult as far as food options are concerned, but I am FOBBIT so that make sit easier lol.

Anyway, I decided to take my body into ketosis eating less than 100g grams of carbs from vegetables (but still eating nutrient dense veggies). I am will do this maybe for 3 weeks and then bring it back up to 100-200 grams of carbs from veggies to maintain my weight.

What I have notice so far is that my hunger/cravings has diminished and I eat less calories overall while still feel satisfied. I sleep better, have more energy, more focus, and I never get bloated. Basically, using body fat as a main source of energy (by eating less carbs and more fats) is far more efficient than relying on glucose/blood-sugars.

The idea of getting carbohydrates mainly from vegetables and sometimes fruit compared to grains and wheat just makes sense. Plus, you will never get as many micro-nutrients from pasta as you would from a vegetable medley along side of a ribeye.

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April 17, 2014
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bea:

It takes many years to develop atherosclerosis (not to mention his other symptoms), so I don't think it's reasonable to blame it on perhaps two years of coconut oil consumption.  

There is also the tricky matter of proposing a plausible mechanism whereby ketones have these harmful effects -- while every piece of research I'm familiar with shows that ketones are the preferred fuel of the heart, oxidized even before glucose.

That being said, there's no prize for making your ketone meter show the biggest number -- so if you don't need the extra energy, I see no reason to consume it.

 

Charles:

That's metabolic flexibility at work.  It's much easier to perform at our best, both mentally and physically, when our bodies have the ability to seamlessly fall back on fat stores instead of needing yet another carby snack.  In your situation, that's not an abstract consideration -- it can easily be a matter of life or death.  

I'm glad you're seeing success.  Welcome home.

JS

April 27, 2014
12:42 pm
bea
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Something I've been thinking about lately as I've changed my paleo way of eating is why is fructose so demonized? Sources of pure glucose such as white rice, white flour, dextrose are refined products. Pure glucose is not found in nature as far as I know. I eat 15 - 20 grams of glucose from the above and feel the fast BG rise and then crash but my morning berries topped with cashews about 30 -40 carbs with 15-20 grams of sugar in the form of fructose/glucose with a little fiber and BG stays under 100 with no crash. Fructose also from what I've read restores liver glycogen faster and does not raise BG. Of course I'm not advocating massive fruit intake but nature put fructose and glucose together in all fruit/berries and veges. for a reason. I actually feel energized after a little fruit or berries compared to lethargic after white rice, bread or tatos. I think starch can also be inflammatory. Oh and cooked and cooled starch"resistant" No difference in BG rise.

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