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The Breakfast Myth (Part 1)
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June 1, 2011
11:36 pm
kem
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I generally put down a three egg (our hens) feta and vegetable omlette, bacon or sausage, a fried tomato (in dripping from one of my cattle) and a concurrently fried leftover potato after an early gym workout or before a bicyle ride... or a day of work on the farm.

Funny, if it turns out to be a surprise, once a fortnight intermitent fast instead, I don't notice. Lunch and tea are generally big meals anyway. Gotta keep my 65 kgs intact.

And that expensive breakfast cereal... I used to eat it for pudding before I wised up to cream, nuts and strawberries... and Scotch.

June 2, 2011
2:12 am
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Thanks, I appreciate the advice.
Yet there's another issue. I get stomach aches from certain foods, or big dishes, (Maybe it's IBS, if you know the term).. so It's a little problematic to eat a lot in general.. you've got any advice regarding the issue? on how to eat a lot of food, yet without getting stomach aches?
Should I just listen to my body and as I keep working out on a regular basis (I was at the time, but I stopped for a few months) my appetite will gradually increase?

Sorry if I ask too many questions.. that's just quite crucial for me.. since food has always been an issue.

June 2, 2011
4:16 pm
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Tomasz:

Fascinating!  He seems to advocate no breakfast, some grazing on light, raw foods throughout the day, and a huge meal for a late dinner.  This seems compatible with an evolutionary history of hunting and gathering: eating as you forage during the day, raw, and socking down a big cooked meal in the evening.  I'll have to spend more time with Hofmekler's stuff.

Peggy:

Thanks!  I think the takeaway is "don't force them to fast...but don't force them to eat when they're not hungry, either".  I suspect both school and the rigid working schedules of parents contribute to this: your child might not be hungry, but you've got to go to work and he's got to go to school...and lunch is at exactly 12:20...this isn't good for anyone, but especially not for children, who don't have coffee breaks or the ability to get up and eat a snack at school.

Fmgd:

"It simply makes no sense to believe that a healthy human should be eating when he's not hungry. We'd be the dumbest animals alive."

Yes.  Our problem is generally that our urge to eat is short-circuited by junk food that doesn't satisfy the nutritional needs that led us to become hungry in the first place.

Wati:

In other words, the traditional Asian "breakfast" is a nutritionally complete meal.  Right?

I definitely got that feeling traveling in Japan: it was rare to see a restaurant that was even open for breakfast, and I didn't see much in the way of "breakfast foods" except in convenience stores.  Even the place that sold those sweet bean paste-filled buns didn't open until at least 10 AM.

Kem:

Sounds delicious!  I also tend to fuel up somewhat if I know I've got a hard day ahead...though I've been doing well lately just by eating a lot the night before.  And I agree that a splash of Scotch (or whisky of any kind) generally goes well with fruit and cream.

Guy:

Franco beat me to it: leangains.com will tell you everything you want to know on that subject.

And he gave pretty good advice in #40.  I'd add refined coconut oil to the list.  Other dense calorie sources are full-fat Greek yogurt (should be ~80% calories from fat) and half-and-half.

Basically for maximum weight gain you want to ignore the advice "don't drink your food" and start making smoothies with half and half/heavy cream.  It isn't paleo...but if you can't gain weight by eating shakes of strawberry whey protein mixed into half and half, I don't know what to tell you.

Although if you're getting stomach aches your problem may be food intolerance...stay attentive to whether it gets worse with certain foods.

Franco:

That's good advice.

JS

 

Wow!  I've got a lot of great ideas for Part 2 now.  Thanks, everyone.

June 2, 2011
11:59 pm
Franco
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JS,

How could I forget coconut oil! But why "refined"? I would say go virgin! (just for the oil - not in general)

I think the problem with greek yoghurt (which I love!) in Guy's situation is that it's very filling!
On most days my "breakfast"(~7pm) is a shake made of 1 banana, 4 egg yolks, ~75g of Mascarpone (if you like fatty milk products You must try it! It goes especilaly well with berries too), 30g hydro-whey and some full fat fresh milk.
I personnaly can eat a full paleo meal 30-40 minutes later but it might satiate somebody else for hours I guess.

June 3, 2011
6:39 am
Guy
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Thanks for the advice.
I tend to have problems with milk products.. but honestly I'm really not sure I truly have problems with them.. since sometimes even eggs could give me stomach aches. and occasionally milk doesn't do anything to my stomach lol.

Anyway, thanks a lot for the helpful advice, I'll make sure to try and use it XD.

June 4, 2011
4:56 am
Paul Halliday
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Not to be crude, but through the week I have a dingo's breakfast ... a scratch, a piss and a look around. Then I get dressed for work and don't eat until lunchtime.

At the weekends I often have a good "breakfast" but at lunchtime. I'm northern English and like my breakfasts like this: https://picasaweb.google.com/pjgh93/Cuisine#5588412137596235202 ... the dish does include a few "cheats" from Paleo diet, but that's because they're part of the traditional English breakfast.

An inspiring article. I also follow the mantra, "why eat if you're not hungry" and typically, that's why I skip breakfast.

June 4, 2011
4:15 pm
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Franco:

I use refined because it's completely neutral in taste: unlike virgin, it doesn't make everything you cook with it taste like coconuts.

If you like the coconut taste, I think the virgin stuff has some compounds in it that might be beneficial...but then I usually just use coconut milk.

Paul:

Ha!  I usually have the dingo's breakfast, too.  What's the black round stuff in that full English?

When camping, it frustrates me that everyone else apparently has to fire up the campstoves and make oatmeal and coffee before they're willing to do anything.  Between all the water-fetching and farting around, it usually takes an hour.

Today I was actually hungry within a couple hours of waking up, which surprised me...but then again, I ate only one meal a day for most of a week, so perhaps I'm on a rebound.  And I ate prime rib for "breakfast".

JS

 

June 4, 2011
11:59 pm
Sofie
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Guy, it's possible to be intolerant of eggwhites. You could try avoiding them.

June 5, 2011
3:21 am
Paul Halliday
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JS: The black rounds are Black Pudding. It is pig blood and fat moulded into thick sausages which are then boiled as part of the process. When you buy them, they're black and firm - cut into slices and crispen up the outsides by frying in a little butter.

Like meat, it can be served more on the rare side with little more than a minute or so on each side in a frying pan, or left for more like 5 minutes for well done.

There are variants of "blood sausage" the world over, but ours in northern England is a known delicacy. I suppose the only pitfall is that oatmeal is used to thicken up and firm up the consistency. I'm happy with these little cheats - they're infrequent and in proportion with my diet, generally. That said, I'm not a confirmed Paleo eater.

You can read more about it here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_pudding

June 5, 2011
1:02 pm
Guy
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I would have assumed so Sofie, yet it's inconsistent and can happen occasionally with almost any type of food possible, so I guess it's not the case. I'm pretty sure I know what's it all about.. but it still requires another visit to the doctor.

Anyway, Thanks, everything should be considered, I'm just pretty sure it's not the case.

June 8, 2011
6:13 am
Emma
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@ Paul... Oh God, I love black pudding! I recently found one here in Aus that is just pork blood, jowls and spices, no grains! It's so delicious!

@ Peggy... I think that it's a good lesson not to freak out about your children's eating times/frequency. My daughter is very lean and I used to worry about her not eating anough. Over the years I've realised that she'd a very instinctive eater. She may go a week eating like a bird and then, it's like she can't get enough food and she's always in the fridge munching on HB eggs, pork rinds with liver pate, fruit, greek yoghurt, chicken thighs... and this is as well as normal meals.
I grew up with very unhealthy eating habits and ended up overweight as a result, so I decided to just let her be. Based on her amazing body composition and muscle tone, she obviously knows better than I do!

June 9, 2011
3:20 pm
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@Emma: Do it like this: https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-0VJlWx19kdc/TXu1_dgIwQI/AAAAAAAAJnU/ShoMdqoPlBA/s800/DSCF4925.JPG

Fry your black pudding to the way you like it (completely opposite to the way I like meat, I like black pudding cooked well), squirt a little sauce on top (Heinz, HP or Worcestershire Sauce) drop some lard/tallow fried mushrooms on top.

OMG! Heaven 🙂

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June 10, 2011
3:30 am
Asclepius
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Glad to see black pudding getting due appreciation here. You have to watch for some added grains in some recipies, but it's health benefits far outweigh.

Here is a picture of my weekly fry-up (featuring a lot of black pudding) which I call 'The Doctor'. Reckon you'll appreciate it (http://naturalmessiah.blogspot.com/2010/04/doctor.html).

Ii need to source some laverbread...

June 13, 2011
7:56 pm
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June 15, 2011
1:32 pm
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12:10 am
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June 27, 2011
1:37 am
Cornelius
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I am not generally one for breakfast. I love a good leisurely brunch, though, after a cup or two of black coffee. Eggs, bacon, sausage, cheese...

I learned long before I knew anything about nutrition that cereal or any of that other stuff made from grains and sugar only assured that I would be very hungry shortly after I ate it, and until lunchtime rolled around. I am much better off not eating anything at all.

It makes me wonder why the stereotype for this is Chinese food, when the typical American breakfast of rapidly digested carbs is so much more common. I want to scream every time I hear that Frosted Mini Wheats BS about feeding your kids that junk for breakfast in order to "keep them full and focused." If you care about your kids and think they need breakfast, get up five minutes earlier and make them bacon and eggs.It is absurd to claim you don't have time to do so. They don't really need breakfast, however. Except for the fact that this is another one of those things that "everyone knows," and you may be thought a bad parent for not feeding them dessert first thing in the morning.

It baffles me how some stereotypical phrases get started, like a breakfast of pancakes and syrup being a "stick to your ribs" type of breakfast. Or biscuits and gravy. I remember a few years back when my girlfriend and I went to a local restaurant for breakfast. We both gorged ourselves on biscuits and gravy. Less than an hour later, we were both starving. You want a "stick to your ribs" meal, eat copious quantities of protein and fat. This should be obvious, but I suppose the myth persists for the same reason that others like "cold water boils faster" do; that being that most people believe what they have been told rather than paying attention to what they actually experience.

Anyway, I apologize if I seem to be preaching to the choir, here. Rant over. 🙂

June 28, 2011
1:16 am
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Cornelius:

Social proof is powerful: that's a big reason why advertising works.  As I demonstrate in Part 2, "breakfast cereal" is entirely a marketing creation, though it's older than we think.

I think the stereotype is Chinese food because we're so used to breakfast being carb-heavy (cereal, pancakes, or English muffin?) that we don't have a good comparison.  With Chinese we're comparing it to lunch or dinner.

Emma:

I think that if we restrict ourselves to real foods, our instincts for what and how much to eat are usually pretty good.  The problem is when that instinct is overridden by deliberately engineered snack foods or well-intentioned bad advice.

JS

June 30, 2011
2:41 pm
Kam
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I just discovered your site today (via the Latest in Paleo podcast). Tons of great info here! I really like the very user-friendly tone of the articles. I feel like I could send my non-paleo, non-Crossfitting, etc. friends and/or family members here and they would understand what is going on.

I have been eating "paleo" for a while but never stopped to consider the origins of breakfast. I do love having my eggs & bacon, or leftover meat in the morning, but if for some reason I don't get to eat until later, I no longer feel like I'm going to starve, pass out & die (a big change from my bagel-eating vegetarian past!)

June 30, 2011
8:47 pm
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Kam:

Welcome!  Were you listening to Angelo's long interview with me (episode 12), or one of the other episodes where he mentions gnolls.org?

And by all means, please send your non-paleo friends and family here.  That's why I write my articles...so people who aren't already convinced can learn something new.

JS

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