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Always Be Skeptical Of Nutrition Headlines: Or, What "Red Meat Consumption and Mortality" (Pan et.al.) Really Tells Us
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January 1, 2013
10:28 am
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Gnoll
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I may not be JS, but rawfoodsos comes to mind as a site that's critical of veganism.  It's a site run by a former raw vegan I believe.

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January 2, 2013
3:00 am
S.P.Vallance
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Ah, thank you Jen! Much appreciated.

January 3, 2013
9:41 pm
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SP:

Raw Food SOS is brilliant, and it's where I direct anyone who tells me to read The China Study or Forks Over Knives.

There's also some good information at Beyond Vegetarianism, and Let Them Eat Meat explores the ethical dimensions of veg*anism vs. omnivorism.

JS

February 12, 2013
12:29 am
JayJay
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Denmarks fat Tax has being scrapped!!!!

Yippeee

February 12, 2013
3:19 am
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That is good news ... there were similar rumblings here in the UK.

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February 12, 2013
2:23 pm
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JayJay, Paul:

Any excuse to raise taxes is generally met with support by certain elements of the government. Hopefully the repeal of the saturated fat tax denotes the high water mark of the diet-heart hypothesis, and we can actually start making forward progress.

JS

February 12, 2013
5:43 pm
JayJay
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Hopefully you're right and that as bad as gets. Did anyone seriously think that putting a tax on real basic food was a good idea? Butter? Meat? FFS like Farmers don't have enough to worry about.

 

Funnily enough everyone just went over the border to buy their fat foods cheaper and the small business lost out, of course.

 

The more I read about it, the madder I get, so I better stop now and go eat some bacon.

February 14, 2013
3:30 pm
Alex M
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Even RCTs can be (and are) successfully gamed, by using non-inert placebos: http://asserttrue.blogspot.com/2013/01/are-placebos-really-sugar-pills.html

February 16, 2013
2:38 am
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JayJay:

Who knew butter could be an act of civil disobedience?

Alex M:

That's a great article.  When so much money is at stake (especially sunk costs), it's quite profitable to cheat.

JS

February 17, 2013
12:19 am
Martin @ Leaky Gut R
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I understand that the data showing red meat consumption mortality risk is flawed, on the other hand, is there some study that would show that eating 3 steaks a day (which is what most paleo dieters do) is safe? Could our evolutionary requirement for meat be more like couple of bugs a day and an animal once a week?

February 17, 2013
4:49 am
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Martin,

 

I imagine our ancestors ate an animal when they could catch it.  Also, I think it depends on how much of that steak someone is eating and how lean that steak is (a tenderloin is much leaner than a ribeye).  Most steaks/animal meat aren't all protein, they come with a certain amount of naturally occurring fat.

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February 19, 2013
1:32 pm
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Martin:

I'm partway through a series recounting the physical evidence we actually have about the evolution of our ancestors' diet...the index is here. 

Meanwhile, note that there is a major difference between "how much meat we require to stay alive in a modern world with free access to highly processed grain products" and "how much meat we require to stay alive in the Paleolithic world in which we evolved, in which we had access only to living foods, and in which we had only minimal and portable technology to process them."  Paleolithic people didn't have access to highly concentrated sources of refined carbohydrates (note: even "whole grain bread" is a highly refined food), and calories must come from somewhere.

JS

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