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"Eat Like A Predator, Not Like Prey": Paleo In Six Easy Steps, A Motivational Guide
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March 19, 2011
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DJ:

HELL YES!  I'm so glad to hear it's working for you.  Keep me posted!

Cherie:

Raw milk doesn't have lactase in it, and is no different for the intolerant than regular milk. It has nutritional benefits, but that's not one of them AFAIK.

JS

March 22, 2011
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I just started the paleo diet a month ago and so far I've lost 14 pounds and I feel much better each and every day. I also sleep deeper, clear my throat less, and have... shall we say... a suddenly more normal GI tract. Thank you J Stanton for an article that, in terms of emotional appeal and motivation factor, easily outstrips anything else I've read on the subject (including Mark's Daily Apple, which is awesome). And it's loaded with facts and great advice, too!

I think I'm the only paleo dieter who finds it extremely difficult to stop drinking milk. People lament the loss of cheese all the time, but for me it's milk. I love milk--it's my liquid comfort food. I also still have morning coffee (although less than I used to) and I love to unwind after a long day with a glass of red wine (or two). I think I'm 90% "strict", though. I've got a ways to go for my ideal weight, so I'll just keep going.

Thanks again!

March 22, 2011
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Roger:

I'm touched.

I can see the statistics, so I know how many people are reading this article (and my other articles) -- but what's important to me is that it's being read by real, individual people, like you and DJ, who have been inspired to make positive changes in their life.  That gives me motivation to keep cranking out articles.

No, you're not the only person who finds it difficult to stop drinking milk.  I've shifted to half-and-half...and I find that a tiny glass satisfies me just as much as chugging most of a quart used to.  It's much higher in butterfat (good) and lower in casein and lactose (suspicious, bad for some).

Rule of thumb: as long as you're making progress, don't stress about perfect adherence. Save that for when progress stalls out and you're still not where you want to be.

JS

March 23, 2011
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March 29, 2011
7:44 pm
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what about need for calcium?

March 29, 2011
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I eat dairy, so I'm not terribly concerned.

But even if you don't, not eating grains (full of phytic acid, which binds calcium and other minerals) and getting plenty of Vitamin D (which is required to absorb calcium in the intestine) helps dramatically...much of the RDA of minerals is to make up for the deficiencies caused by eating grains.  

Plus, eggs have calcium even if you don't eat the shells (which is a great source), most nuts have lots of calcium (except peanuts), and many different vegetables have some too (spinach, bok choy, turnip, beet, and dandelion greens, for example).

I suspect bone broths have lots of calcium in them, too, but I've never seen it measured.

JS

March 30, 2011
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April 5, 2011
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"but if you’re still eating corn, oats, or any bogus ‘health grains’ like kamut or amaranth, ditch them."

Weston A. Price, in his book Nutrition and Physical Degeneration, seems to recommend oats consumption. He writes:

The basic foods of these islanders are fish and oat products with a little barley. Oat grain is the one cereal which develops fairly readily, and it provides the porridge and oat cakes which in many homes are eaten in some form regularly with each meal. The fishing about the Outer Hebrides is specially favorable, and small sea foods, including lobsters, crabs, oysters and clams, are abundant. An important and highly relished article of diet has been baked cod's head stuffed with chopped cod's liver and oatmeal. The principal port of the Isle of Lewis is Stornoway with a fixed population of about four thousand and a floating population of seamen over week-ends, of an equal or greater number. The Sunday we spent there, 450 large fishing boats were said to be in the port for the week-end. Large quantities of fish are packed here for foreign markets. These hardy fisherwomen often toil from six in the morning to ten at night. The abundance of fish makes the cost of living very low.

In Fig. 5 may be seen three of these fisher-people with teeth of unusual perfection.
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On one of these islands, we were told, the growing boys and girls had exceedingly high immunity to tooth decay. Their isolation was so great that a young woman of about twenty years of age who came to the Isle of Harris from Taransay Island had never seen milk in any larger quantity than drops. There are no dairy animals on that island. Their nutrition is provided by their oat products and fish
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The older boy, with excellent teeth, was still enjoying primitive food of oatmeal and oatcake and sea foods with some limited dairy products.
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For nutrition, the children of this community were dependent very largely on oatmeal porridge, oatcake and sea foods. An examination of the growing boys and girls disclosed the fact that only one tooth out of every hundred examined had ever been attacked by tooth decay. The general physical development of these children was excellent, as may be seen in the upper half of Fig. 7.
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FIG. 7. Above: typical rugged Gaelic children, Isle of Harris, living on oats and sea food.
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This is in striking contrast with the picture of the girl shown in Fig. 6 (lower right) living in the Isle of Lewis, in the central area. She has splendidly formed dental arches and a high immunity to tooth decay. Her diet and that of her parents was oatmeal porridge and oatcake and fish which built stalwart people.
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A dietary program competent to build stalwart men and women and rugged boys and girls is provided the residents of these barren Islands, with their wind and storm-swept coasts, by a diet of oats used as oatcake and oatmeal porridge; together with fish products, including some fish organs and eggs.
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The diet of the people in the Outer Hebrides which proved adequate for maintaining a high immunity to dental caries and preventing deformity consisted chiefly of oat products and sea foods [...] One important fish dish was baked cod's head that had been stuffed with oat meal and chopped cods' livers. This was an important inclusion in the diets of the growing children. The oats and fish, including livers, provided minerals and vitamins adequate for an excellent racial stock with high immunity to tooth decay.
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The important change that I made in this boy's dietary program was the removal of the white flour products and in their stead the use of freshly cracked or ground wheat and oats

April 7, 2011
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Thanks for writing up such a clear (and forceful) guide to Paleo! There is a ton of misinformation out there, even coming from the Paleo and Primal community. It is so hard to just boil it down to a few basic principles for people to follow. Plus, it makes total sense to be reasonable about it, if you want to make this a sustainable lifestyle. For example, as you said, I'm not giving up my sashimi! Love it too much and it brings me tasty joy.

April 7, 2011
6:01 pm
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[...] A good paleo article! Eat like a predator, not like prey. [...]

April 7, 2011
8:23 pm
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Great article, but one thing...no one, in the history of mankind, has turned seed oils into hydrogenated oils in their kitchen. It absolutely does not happen. To hydrogenate an oil requires 3 things, two of which are missing in your kitchen: heat (you have this one, though maybe not enough heat), a metal catalyst (typically nickel in the food oil industry), and pressurized hydrogen. Without those three, you aren't hydrogenating. You aren't creating trans fats. You are oxidizing the oil, which is bad enough, but you aren't creating trans fats.

Again, great article, but you should change that piece about seed oils hydrogenating in your kitchen because it's untrue.

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April 8, 2011
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Hitssquad:

I'm moderately familiar with Weston A. Price's work.  

He also notes that the grains used by these cultures are almost always sprouted, fermented, or both...practices that decrease the levels of anti-nutrients such as lectins and phytic acid, increase bioavailable nutrients, and are (as you correctly note) not generally practiced today.

Furthermore, much of the benefit of these diets is due to the nutrients found in locally pastured animal meat and raw dairy (such as "Activator X", later found to be K2-MK4)...hence Price's 'butter oil'.

Note that I'm not disputing that the WAPF guidelines aren't far superior to the modern diet, and I have a great deal of respect for both Weston A. Price and the WAPF (as do all the paleo writers I know of).  But I believe the evidence against grain consumption is compelling: there's no good reason (besides poverty) to consume seeds that contain so many poisons, even if the poisons can be mitigated by careful processing, because meat and vegetables are a superior source of nutrients to grains -- and there is strong evidence that wheat consumption (especially modern wheat) is detrimental to everyone, not just celiacs, due to the action of WGA and gluten exorphins.

In summary, though I agree with them on everything else, I'd rather let the ruminants eat the grasses.

Thomas:

Thank you! If we needed an entire book to teach us how to eat, the human race would have died out long ago.

Note that this is absolutely not a slam on the excellent books that are out there, particularly Primal Blueprint and the Perfect Health Diet.  Most of their text is supporting and justifying documentation, not the principles themselves, which are relatively simple.  However, I do take issue with Cordain and DeVany regarding their saturated fat-phobia, which I believe the evidence shows to be both without merit and unjustified by the archaeological evidence...as you've noticed if you've already read this article.

Scott:

Are you sure about that?  Seed oils undergo meaningful hydrogenation just in the process of extraction and deodorizing (see the paper linked in this article), and these two articles (here, here) seem to indicate that the temperatures of steam deodorization (400 degrees F and above) are sufficient, in themselves, to hydrogenate linoleic and linolenic acid.

You are correct, however, that oxidation is also a problem -- perhaps a greater problem.  I'll update to reflect that.

JS 

April 8, 2011
12:35 am
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[...] (Clicca qui per l’articolo originale completo). [...]

April 8, 2011
7:47 am
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"I agree with them on everything else"

...Except, perhaps, Guideline 14, which recommends we "Use natural sweeteners [...] such as raw honey, maple syrup, dehydrated cane sugar juice", contrary to your advice in the article to "not eat table sugar, or its equivalents [including] circumlocutions like “brown rice syrup”, “agave nectar”, and [...] “evaporated cane juice solids.” [...] Even honey"

April 8, 2011
8:15 am
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Great article! Informative, inspiring and down right funny! I have forward it to many friends. Thanks for the inspiration.

April 8, 2011
12:57 pm
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Sounds great, but what about people that HAVE to watch their cholesterol levels. My doctor has always told me to eat red meat in moderation (though I do LOVE it!)

April 8, 2011
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TinaC:

Much appreciated!  It's tough to condense so much knowledge into something short but still entertaining...thanks for helping spread it!

Joan:

Total cholesterol is a basically worthless metric.  "LDL" isn't even a real number (it's "imputed", which is to say it's a total guess calculated by a formula from your triglycerides, HDL, and TC)...and even if it were, it's measuring three things lumped together, of which only one (small/dense LDL) actually correlates to heart disease!  And total LDL is completely uncorrelated to small/dense LDL.

I'm working on a long post about what your "cholesterol numbers" actually mean -- but in the meantime, the most important number you'll get off your test (and the only one with a meaningful correlation to heart disease) is your triglycerides/HDL ratio.  (Triglycerides/TC is almost as good.)

Lower is better: you want your TG to be low and your HDL to be high.  A TG/HDL ratio of 3.8 is associated with a 50% lower risk of heart disease, and it goes down from there.  The great thing about paleo is that it's basically custom-designed to fix this ratio.  TG is basically driven by carbohydrate: the less carbs you eat, the lower your TG.  And HDL is increased by saturated fat: the more saturated fat you eat, the higher your HDL!

Like I said, I've got a long post in the works about this.  But in the meantime, you might read Dr. Malcolm Kendrick's "The Great Cholesterol Con".

Hitssquad:

OK, you're right.  I view sweeteners as a cheat (though a relatively harmless one if taken with meals and in great moderation.)  And I'm not terribly concerned about the "naturalness": honey makes a good antibacterial, but nutritionally it's basically cane sugar with a few impurities, as is maple syrup.  If I use them, it's for the taste, not for health reasons.

Personally, if I'm going to cheat and use sweetener, I usually use dextrose, which is much sweeter than rice syrup while still being 100% glucose (and, most importantly, 0% fructose).

At the end of the day, though, I don't feel very strongly about it.  Avoiding white sugar keeps us from buying junk food at the store, which is the biggest element of all this.

JS

 

April 8, 2011
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[Scott's comment got eaten by the system: I'm copying it here so everyone else can see it.]

 

Hey J.
You said: "…just in the process of extraction and deodorization"…
One of your links said: "Oil samples were deodorized at temperatures from 204 to 230°C from 2 to 86 h."
Holding an oil at a temperature of 400-plus Fahrenheit for 2 hours to just over 3.5 days doesn't sound like anything comparable to what happens in the kitchen.  Further, the refining process requires some industrial solvents that people aren't using at home.
I'm not arguing that people should use vegetable oils (they are in no way healthy), just saying, trans fats aren't forming in the frying pan.  A minor point, but hey, if we're going to spread information, it should be the right information, right?
Also note that the 2% of trans fat in canola (again, don't use it!)…well, dairy and beef contain 2-6% of their fat as naturally-occurring trans fats:
"Trans fatty acids are also present at low levels (2 to 6% of the fat) in such foods as dairy products, beef and lamb. Some refined liquid oils may contain small amounts of trans fatty acids (0.5 to 2.5% of the oil)." – http://www.hc-sc.gc.ca/hl-vs/iyh-vsv/food-aliment/.....ns-eng.php
"The idea that cooking with heat damages the oils that are highly polyunsaturated is true and the warning against cooking or frying using fragile oils such as flaxseed oil is valid, but not because trans fats are formed. What is formed under harsh circumstances such as high-temperature cooking and frying is a polymerized oil, and this is because the heat has helped to form free radicals and then various breakdown products." – http://www.westonaprice.org/know-your-fats/542-tra.....table-oils
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Scott:

The trans-fatty acids in beef and dairy are conjugated linoleic acid, or CLA, which has many known health benefits and is sold as a supplement — and trans-vaccenic acid, which our bodies convert to CLA.  (An analysis.)

The abstracts of the papers I linked seem to say that the isomerization didn't require any catalysts — just heat — especially for n-3 fats like ALA, which isomerize at the drop of a hat.  And 400 degrees is a very reachable temperature in a frying pan or wok, especially if you're stir-frying.  Do you have access to the full text of those papers?  I'd like to read them in detail.

In the meantime, I'll take Dr. Enig's word for it, as she's the authority on the subject — and I've changed the text to mention oxidation and polymerization.  Thanks for the information!

JS

April 9, 2011
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the most important number you'll get off your test (and the only one with a meaningful correlation to heart disease) is your triglycerides/HDL ratio.

What about apo B? From Gary Taubes' 2007 book Good Calories, Bad Calories:

Goran Walldius, a cardiologist at the Karolinska Institute in Stockholm, [...] is the principal investigator of an enormous Swedish study to ascertain heart-disease risk factors. The 175,000 subjects include every patient who received a health checkup in the Stockholm area in 1985. Blood samples were taken at the time, and Walldius and his colleagues have been following the subjects ever since, to see which measures of cholesterol, triglycerides, or lipoproteins are most closely associated with heart disease. Far and away, the best predictor of risk, as Walldius reported in 2001, was the concentration of apo B proteins, reflecting the dominance of small, dense LDL particles. Half of the patients who died of heart attacks, he reported, had normal LDL-cholesterol levels but high apo B numbers. Apo B is a much better predictor of heart disease than LDL cholesterol, Walldius said, because LDL cholesterol “doesn’t tell you anything about the quality of the LDL.”

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