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We Must Reclaim Human Health, Sustainability, Environmental Justice, And Morality From The Birdseed Brigade
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May 8, 2013
7:29 am
pzo
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The posting that refuses to die. Your writings are not limited by time. I see T. Williams posted just four days ago.

No one has ever addressed, here or elsewhere, that I've ever seen how vegetarianism and veganism are modern, recent diets that depend hugely on year round supplies of fresh and frozen foods from all over the world.

All those nice grapes and apples flown in from Chile at great hydrocarbon expense are the most obvious examples. Even here in Florida, mangoes are only a midsummer crop, and avacados in the fall. Summer is our winter as far as growing a vegetable garden, too hot and humid for most plants. Yet, like anywhere in America, every delight is available at Publix year round.

I've found that vegans tend to be hugely scientifically illiterate, believing all kinds of mythology that someone else told them. It's a religion without a god or goddess.

It also occurs to me that The China Study is Ancel Keyes all over again. Selected data, lies, and Cargill/ADM have been intentionally misleading the public for forty years now, against all our evolutionary instincts and preferences.

Carry on!

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May 9, 2013
2:17 am
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@PZO - I've blogged a bit about the modernity of veg*nism and how it is only really feasible in the West amongst the relatively affluent middle-classes who can afford out-of-season foods (with their attendent air miles and high carbon footprint). 

 

I've also mentioned 'ghost acres' - or 'phantom carrying capacity'.  This is a measure of how trade and fishing are ways for the rich nations to gain extraterritorial acres to support themselves above and beyond the resources of their own land (usually at the expense of poorer nations).  Worth looking in to.

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May 16, 2013
6:49 pm
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T. Williams:

I'm glad The Gnoll Credo spoke to you. 

And I'm glad to hear that something more sustainable than imported Spam is becoming available on the islands!  All that fresh volcanic soil might not be the best for agriculture, but one can certainly graze ruminants on it...

 

pzo:

You're absolutely correct.  Fruits and veggies are seasonal: the only non-seasonal food sources for humans are meat and tubers.  And I've noted before that vegetarianism and veganism are indeed religious in origin, although I haven't written an article on the subject.

Politics loves pseudoscience...it's a cloak of respectability thrown over naked greed.

 

Asclepius:

"Ghost acres" is a great term which I haven't heard before (though I'm familiar with the concept).  The ocean, in particular, has been strip-mined for protein ("fished", "trawled") for decades.  Any discussion of earth's "carrying capacity" that doesn't mention the impact of this unsustainable contribution is intellectually bankrupt.

JS

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March 20, 2014
1:00 pm
Jurik
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Hey,

The problem about lack of fruits in winter is very easy to solve. During the summer take a part of your fruits and dry them using solar power. It is a method used thousands of years on this earth. The biggest problem in the modern world, is that we are too much attached to our technologies. People lived on earth for thousands of years, even in the coldest parts of the world.

More than this I suggest everyone to switch to an alternative lifestyle check out what is wellness or any other resource to switch to a correct, tested by centuries lifestyle. Wellness and natural health has been on earth since egyptians.

It is scary to see what is happening to us, grass feeded animals are a luxury, I am here in europe and it is very hard to find such meats. People look at you like to an insane person when they hear something like that. For centuries people were fed with grass feeded animals - now it is hard to find it. Where does this world goes with this things?

Take care everyone, and I agree with the first part of the topic We Must Reclaim Human Health! We must untill we will not become somekind of zombies.

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March 21, 2014
12:17 am
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Jurik:

Based on the archaeological record, I would argue that "wellness" long predates the Egyptians -- or any agricultural civilization!  

However, it is true that we are making the problem of "healthy eating" far too difficult.  As I said in another article: Eat anything you could pick, dig, or spear.  If we eat within that paradigm, we usually come out pretty well.

It's unfortunate that government subsidies for growing grains have made grass-fed meat so expensive!  Hopefully we're making it profitable enough that more ranchers will start producing it.

JS

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March 10, 2015
7:44 pm
Jake
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There's simply too many points to refute to even begin approaching a response to this article. I'll say simply that you don't need to clearcut forests to harvest whole foods. Ever heard of vertical farming? Google it at the same as you do a bit of research on how animal agriculture is the single greatest stressor on our environment in terms of carbon emissions, water use, and ground pollution. Give me a break. Fortunately, your disinformation will only embolden agro meat eaters, you won't convert anyone because you focus so much time hating on vegetarians that you don't actually make anything even remotely close to a case for sustainability. You should probably look that word up too.

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September 7, 2015
7:03 am
Duke
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Jake you have to actually make a structured argument, that's how it works! You only come across as angry, and have clearly come here with a preconceived bias/agenda solely to leave snarky comments, which is so easy to do – learn how to make proper criticisms with appropriate reference notes and post it on a blog somewhere.

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November 5, 2015
12:35 am
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Jake:

It is an unfortunate fact that rice paddies are a far greater contributor to global methane emissions than cattle.

Furthermore, as I've said many times, if grazing animals destroyed the Earth, the Serengeti and the Great Plains would have blown away into dust tens of millions of years ago! Ruminants grazing on grass actually restore and improve the soil, a fact most recently publicized by Joel Salatin and others.

There were somewhere between 20 and 80 million bison on the Great Plains before Europeans showed up. Think about that for a moment before you call animals "destructive". What you call "pollution" - urine and poop - is, in reality, fertilizer.

The problem isn't animals: it's a Byzantine system of agricultural subsidies that make it profitable to feed corn to cattle - and even to our cars, at a net energy loss - at a cost of $billions to taxpayers and an incalculable cost to the environment.

JS

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July 27, 2016
8:17 am
TLW
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Sadly when you point out any of these ideas to vegans or vegetarians, they say more crops are grown to feed animals than humans. So therefore they believe it's still the fault of people who eat meat that the environment is suffering and people are starving. They seem to think if people would stop eating meat, all this "extra" food could be given to the untold masses of starving people in the world. But we can't force corrupt government to actually let them have it.

Isn't it also true that not all plants fed to animals are suitable for humans? And that not all land is suitable for growing crops but might be perfect for grazing.

If anyone needs an example of large scale crop farming being harmful to the environment, IMO you only need to look to the dust storms of the 1930's.

I've read some posts on different forums saying the world must/will be vegan by 2030. I think anybody who says that is delusional if they think something like that could be enforced.

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November 10, 2016
5:24 am
Lana Salant
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Can't believe I am just now leaving a message for you. I posted this article for the 100th time today and said how much I admire you to the tune of asking for your hand in marriage... and I think the institution needs to be abolished ;) Anyway I love your voice, dig your huge brain. Simply bravo.. keep them coming. The other article I have shared one zillion times.. no lie.. a ZILLION..is "What rots in your colon" Not here to self advocate but I do run a little thing called "Ethical Omnivore Movement" ethicalomnivore.org and it's guys like you that help chicks like me defend meat eating. So finally.. a HUGE and humble thank you.

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