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Why Do We Ever Stop Eating? Taste, Reward, and Hyperpalatability (Why Are We Hungry? Part VII)
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October 30, 2011
8:35 pm
Jacquie
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Awesome again, JS. You're not only explaining what's happened in my past to get me to this deranged place (lol, I love claiming to be deranged - it makes my day!) but you are also providing accessible and useful information for changing what I'm doing right now. Your series is making sense of some of the received wisdom that is often delivered without a SOLID rationale, such as 'eat protein for breakfast'. I'm left with no annoying 'yes, but . . .' responses, which is a relief. These posts are providing the background that needs to be in place before I can do scary things like 'eat when you're hungry THEN STOP'. Sometimes I can do that, sometimes not.

I'm rambling, sorry - fantastic job, I'm really excited. But I'll shut up now!

October 31, 2011
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Jacquie:

I'm glad it's all making sense to you!

Once we understand why things work the way they do, we can not only tell the difference between good advice and bad advice -- we can make a plan that uses our own time and resources most effectively.

That's why I try my best to explain underlying principles rather than make blanket recommendations: while the principles remain the same for everyone, their application to each of our individual situations may not be.

JS

October 31, 2011
5:37 pm
Jeffrey of Troy
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@J Stanton
"That's entirely due to one blogger, who's spent the last six months pushing that particular hypothesis."

Seemed like after Guyenet got his Ph.D. he lost the ability to comprehend the scientific method; it's bizarre.

It's also a real shame. I loved his blog when I discovered it in fall 2010, but I stopped bothering a few months ago..

"People aren't overweight because they want to be fat: they're overweight because they're hungry all the time!"

Fat dead rat!

November 9, 2011
4:21 pm
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[...] more, here’s an excellent blog post by J. Stanton that is part of a series on this topic. It’s worth your time. His model adds a [...]

December 26, 2011
12:17 pm
Dr. Gee
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JS,

awesome! i'm finally catching up on this series during my break (linked via Dr. Jaminet's blog).

i lost interest in the last 7 months in the FR Hypothesis; it became repetitive without becoming clearer or less subjective or circular (to me).

Live in freedom, live in beauty in 2012.

pam

(i like your closing so much that i've stolen it! XD)

December 27, 2011
7:16 am
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December 27, 2011
2:23 pm
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Dr. Gee:

It's not your imagination that FRH is both ill-defined and circular as stated.  I find this puzzling, because the existing literature on the topics of reward and hunger is both extensive and well-specified.

I'm glad my exploration and summary of hunger has been helpful to you -- and I'm glad to see you spreading my dedication, because I mean it sincerely.

JS

February 29, 2012
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In relation to satiety and being satiated...how long have you gone on a fast. Been doing this high fat/protein/veggies for about 2 and a half weeks (but i've been eating clean for years) and lately haven't been hungry.

I get the slight feeling of hunger once or twice a day but it goes away after about 5-10 mins. I just at something small just because i felt like i "had" to. Is it normal/ok to go without any food for a 24 hour period? especially on a non-workout day?

March 1, 2012
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JP:

I found the same thing as you: once I had been eating like a predator for a while, complete with plenty of egg yolks and animal fat, my body apparently decided it was nutritionally replete and therefore happy to consume the fat on my butt for extended periods.  I'm convinced that a lot of it is eating higher-fat and forcing your body to improve its beta-oxidation performance...

My record on zero calories (no coconut oil, no juice, nothing but water) is about 44 hours.  I hit the wall somewhere around 42 hours, though that included a respectable amount of physical activity the first day.

Is it normal to go without food for a day?  Yes, if you're not hungry, and if you're not anorexic or otherwise suffering mixed-up hunger signals. Your body has fat for a reason: it's there for when you're not eating!  Even a very lean (10% BF) 170-pound male has 17 pounds of fat, or appx. 69,000 calories worth...the limit to starvation comes from loss of lean mass (catabolism) to provide your daily protein and glucose needs, not from depletion of fat stores.

JS

March 19, 2012
7:46 am
Nootropic
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I enjoyed your intriguing blog. brilliant stuff

March 26, 2012
1:21 pm
Tracy
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Just wanted to add my kudos to you for this series! After reading Stephan's series, and sorta getting it but sorta not buying it completely, I came here and what you've written makes more sense to me... science-wise and based on my personal n=1. Excellent job. Always love your posts - you're a gifted communicator and writer.

March 26, 2012
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Tracy:

Thank you!  Upon first investigating the subject, I realized that there is plenty of existing science to reference, so there is no need to bring "new" hypotheses into the picture (which, in my opinion, are both based on out-of-date science and oversimplified to the point of being frankly incorrect.)  What the world needs is fewer bold claims and more calm, patient exploration of the extensive existing science.

I'm glad you've found this series (and my other writing) informative.  Do stick around here at gnolls.org — and as my AHS 2012 talk will be on this very subject, I'm sure you'll also find it of interest!

JS

March 27, 2012
9:36 am
Kassandra
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This series (and this site, and this idea of how to live in general!) has been such a huge impact on my life I don't even know how to express it. The opening of this(?) installment, about how our body's desires are not evil or wrong is something I've struggled with for most of my life. I have a great deal of difficulty with dissociation from my physical self (as a symptom of bipolar disorder) and one of the hardest and most rewarding things about the last few months of 'embracing the predator' is the focus on physical minutiae that allows me to understand what is actually happening in my body. I'm not obese and never have been (170 lb, 5'7" female), and I don't believe I'm metabolically 'broken', but neither have I ever felt healthy. This focus on understanding myself as a whole has been so helpful and illuminating. Thank you. I have always thought of myself as sort of an amateur scientist - at least my mindset is grounded deeply in the scientific method - and your explorations and explanations have been deeply helpful in forming a framework to understand myself. My mind, my body, my functions and dysfunctions all become so much clearer when I have these concepts (hedonic impact, incentive salience, satiety, etc.) to work with and the terms to use them clearly.
So anyway, I'll stop rambling, but just know that you have been a hugely positive influence. My baseline mood has even improved a bit since I started eating a like a person, and the fluctuations I've always experienced are not as rapid or as severe. I have hope that I will eventually achieve the dream of being a healthy and wholly integrated person. (if that makes any sense at all!)

March 27, 2012
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Kassandra:

Wow!  I'm honored that my writing has affected you so profoundly, and that I've been able to help you towards a more healthy relationship with your own body.

The goal of my writing is to help us all remake ourselves into the strong, smart, and capable creatures humans have always been.  To that end, I don't like oversimplifying -- I believe my readers deserve the best information possible.  I'm glad you appreciate it and find it useful.

JS

October 20, 2013
9:46 pm
Christopher G.
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Every time I reread one of your articles it seems that I learn something new. I appreciate all the hard work and long hours it must take to research and write them. I read a lot of paleo blogs and I've learned a lot from most of them, but your articles are among the few that I find worthwhile to reread again and again.

I can't wait for the next one. Keep up the good work.

October 22, 2013
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Christopher:

Thank you for noticing!  I'm glad you find my work useful and informative.

Though I have several other projects, I'll continue writing articles here as time permits...and I have no shortage of subjects to write about.

JS

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