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Does Meat Rot In Your Colon? No. What Does? Beans, Grains, and Vegetables!
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May 4, 2013
3:01 am
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Oi! Knee jerk! Did you read the article? That'll be a no, then.

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May 4, 2013
5:37 am
eddie watts
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the many comments on here just seem to imply that vegetarians/vegans cannot read.
or concentrate long enough (lack of fats in diet?) to read a whole article?

May 4, 2013
6:57 am
Alex
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I have no problem at all digesting steak. In fact, it's the poor quality proteins in grains and beans that I have trouble with. If I need the energy to be active for 6-7 hours without food, I eat an 8oz steak with some added fat.

May 13, 2013
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Ryan:

"There are not enough natural enzymes in our bodies to break down such things."

Apparently you're a victim of veg*an propaganda, because science (clearly explained in the article) long ago established that we have enzymes specifically dedicated to breaking down collagen (elastase) as well as meat proteins in general (pepsin, trypsin).  In addition to the biochemical fact that we poorly digest the prolamins found in beans and grains (descriptions of these enzymes contain phrases like "cleaves X-Y bonds except when X is proline"), they contain trypsin inhibitors which stop us from digesting them!

"That's why you get tired and feel like shit after eating a big steak."

Speak for yourself.  The rest of the world feels extremely energized after eating a steak -- often to the point that it impairs sleep when eaten too close to bedtime!  In contrast, it's well-established that complex carbohydrates put you to sleep, e.g. the well-known "pasta coma". 

Seriously: I dare you to find anyone who says "I can't sleep...I'd better eat a steak."  If you fall asleep after a "steak dinner", it's likely due to the loaf of table bread and giant ball of mashed potatoes that came along with it (and comprised the majority of calories).

"If you knew anything about proper nutrition and the art of cleaning your body of all of its worms, gunk, and muck"

Ah, so you believe in the colon cleansing myth!  It's profitable to sell people a mix of bentonite clay, psyllium husk, and laxatives, and tell them to be surprised at the weird poop that comes out (which looks suspiciously like a mixture of waterlogged bentonite clay and psyllium husk, squeezed into strange shapes by a colon spasming from laxative overdose).  And it's even more profitable to sell them enemas.  But as I said above, try to find a colonoscopy picture which shows a colon filled with "gunk and muck". 

You won't find any, because that does not happen.

As far as "big salads", I enjoy them frequently, as do most paleo eaters.  (Mark Sisson even coined the term "Big Ass Salad"!)  However, if I want them to be an entree as opposed to a side dish, they're going to feature a grip of meat on top...preferably tri-tip, grilled rare.

"then you wouldn't be posting some article about how the body digests."

This article is basic, uncontroversial human physiology, as taught in any introductory college class.  Which specific assertions do you have trouble with?

Oh, that's right...you're a veg*an who is suffering from cognitive dissonance upon discovering that that reality doesn't conform to veg*an propaganda.  We're here for you once you decide to stop suffering needlessly and start eating a natural human diet.

 

Paul, eddie:

I've noticed a robust trend: veg*anism is strongly associated with poor reading comprehension.  

 

Alex:

You, me, and the rest of the human race.

JS

May 20, 2013
11:03 am
RW
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So I have a question about constipation. Normally the docs recommend adding more fiber to the diet to get rid of constipation. After reading your article I'm wondering if constipation is actually the result of too much fiber in the diet being stuck in the large intestine. Would probiotics then ultimately be the solution to deal with that? Can probiotics even survive the journey to the large intestine?

May 20, 2013
10:11 pm
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RW:

I don't see how probiotics would address constipation...intestinal bacteria can only ferment soluble fiber, which is just complex sugars which we don't have enzymes to digest (e.g. inulin, raffinose, all "probiotics").  What most people think of as "fiber" is insoluble fiber, which neither us nor our gut bacteria can digest at all, and is excreted (e.g. cellulose).

I can't address all the possible causes of constipation...but if you're dealing with it, I recommend some combination of magnesium citrate and MCT oil.  (Straight coconut oil is almost as good.)  If that doesn't clean out your system, you've likely got a serious problem and should see a medical professional!

JS

May 23, 2013
2:22 am
nasir
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Colon Cleansing helps to tonify the bowel to help produce a better elimination practice for the body. It's great as a part of an overall wellness program.

May 23, 2013
4:36 am
Alex
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I cleanse my colon 2-3 times every day. It's a technique called taking a shit. I highly recommend it.

May 23, 2013
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nasir:

Someone should invent a colon exercise program to go with the cleansing.  "Just like kettlebell swings for your intestines!"

Alex:

I enjoy "cleansing my colon", too, but 2-3x a day seems a bit excessive.

JS

June 1, 2013
6:15 pm
Gail
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RW:

Read The Fiber Menace by Konstantin Monastyrsky.

June 3, 2013
10:08 am
Dan
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This will provide me with some info for my up coming NOFA lecture: Two Nutritional Phobias: Bacteria and Animal Fats

Your article was well written and easy to follow. Thanks for the post.

Dan

June 4, 2013
8:12 am
Dr Suess
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I am NOT a vegetarian or vegan. While your science is accurate, your interpretation is whacko... http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887324423904578523190441042514.html

June 4, 2013
1:23 pm
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Dr. Suess,

 

That study was based on a questionnaire aka correlations which tell us nothing about what caused what.  

"Often we forget . . . the sky reaches to the ground . . . with each step . . . we fly."  ~We Fly, The House Jacks

June 5, 2013
1:14 pm
Lorean Winkelman
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Greetings from Idaho! I'm bored to death at work so I decided to browse your blog on my iphone during lunch break. I love the information you present here and can't wait to take a look when I get home.

June 9, 2013
11:36 pm
Amber E
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I bet if you put a bunch of vegans side by side with a bunch of Paleo diet followers, the vegans will out health you meat eaters any day of the week. Try telling someone who had terminal cancer and was on death's door that being a vegan isn't healthy, especially, after it cured them. Maybe, you should educate yourself further on a vegan lifestyle and the dangers of a Paleo diet.

http://www.vega-licious.com/dangers-of-the-paleo-diet-is-the-paleo-diety-healthy-or-a-hoax/

http://www.vega-licious.com/dangers-of-the-paleo-diet-part-2/

http://www.vega-licious.com/dangers-of-the-paleo-diet-part-3/

June 10, 2013
2:45 am
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Dan:

Much appreciated.  Thank you!

 

"Dr. Suess":

First, I'm reasonably sure you're a vegan, for two reasons:

1. You didn't bother to read the GIANT BOLDFACED NOTE I left above

2. You don't know how to spell Dr. Seuss

Also, the study you cite has the same problems all such studies do.

1. "The Loma Linda researchers used a questionnaire to categorize participants into groups based on their diets."  Dietary recalls are notoriously inaccurate: I talk about the known, measured problems at length in this article.

2. Here's the kicker: "The categories include nonvegetarians and people considered semi-vegetarians, who eat meat more than once a month but less than once a week. In addition to meat, vegans eliminate dairy and eggs from their diets.  Others eat fish, in addition to the cohort that eats no meat but consumes dairy and eggs. For many of the analyses, the researchers lumped all of these subsets of people together as simply "vegetarians.""

And in this article, we find that two out of three people who claim to be "vegetarian" on a survey eat meat frequently...but their diet is much healthier in general than self-described meat-eaters.

Result: most of the SDA "vegetarians" are actually meat-eaters, and this paper isn't measuring the health impact of vegetarianism or veganism at all. 

(More about the "vegetarian vs. omnivore lifespan" argument can be found here and here.)

 

Lorean:

Thank you!

 

Amber E:

"Try telling someone who had terminal cancer and was on death's door that being a vegan isn't healthy, especially, after it cured them."

Like Steve Jobs?

Now I'm going to quote the first article you linked:

"I do not believe in evolution (do not want to imagine that my great-great-great….-granny was evolving, hunched over, tree-hoping, branch swinging chimpanzee 😉 ), so, as such, I believe that God made us perfect the first time around and designed our digestive tracts to eat a plant based diet."

I know it's annoying that facts don't change to fit your beliefs.  However, if you someday decide to live in reality, we're here for you.

 

A final note: apparently going vegan destroys one's social skills and reading comprehension, because not a one of the vegan commenters has bothered to read the GIANT BOLDFACED NOTE I left above...or even noticed that the article is about digestion, not the general case for omnivory.  And yes, if you decide to leave such a comment, I'm going to break my usual rules and make fun of you!

JS

June 26, 2013
8:51 am
Ray
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Hey JS,

I am a vegetarian (3 years) obviously ate meat all my life on top of the SAD diet..I introduced it back in my diet because I felt like I would "need" it for the "gym body" you referenced above..it made me fat (I was eating organic-grass fed meats) and my gastritis also came back...never once did I have these problems as a vegetarian..Now that I have left meat out of my diet my stomach health is improving again and I am much leaner now.

As far as digestion goes, I would really like to know where you are pulling your science from because we are going to need alot more literature to actually prove we can digest meat..I believe that the guy you mentioned doing the intestine transplant, may have somewhat digested the meat, but the digested meat by-products stick to the walls of the colon for a long time and are really hard to get rid of just by pooping.

I always have been a firm believer from doing extensive research (and testing it and experiencing it on my self) that we do not fully digest meat..and alot of it clings to our colon wall and builds up over time. I am always a man of true science so if it's a fact, it's a fact. I'd love to see more extensive literature and research on this matter disproving that meat infact does not at all stick to the walls of our colons - because that is the issue with "humans not digesting meat" and I've seen plenty of people do colonics and pass meat waste that has been in their colons their entire life.

The whole paleo thing is another topic, but like you said this was about digestion. Briefly off topic, I have not heard of anyone curing sickness or disease through a high meat eating diet (such as the paleo diet). I think we need to loose all the titles and stick to science..fruits and herbs are natures medicine..and there is plenty of people to prove it who have cured disease and sickness, not by being a vegan/vegetarian but by implementing a diet rich in super foods / herbs and fruits....and of course cutting out the processed junk and gmo and conventional meat/produce.

Interesting article though.

Ray

June 26, 2013
9:23 am
Ray
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One last thing - "[...] office vegan starts telling you that meat rots in the human digestive system, send her this one : Does Meat Rot In Your Colon? No. What Does? Beans, Grains, and Vegetables! - GNOLLS.ORG Well-behaved women rarely make history : Laurel Thatcher Ulrich My New Primal Journal : [...]"

Explain how vegetarians and vegans or people who eat less meat in general have way healthier colons? This article does not add up 100% and it seems like theres a new trend of paleo's just trying to find more ways to bash people on plant based diets, from all of the mockery I seen lately. Oh and btw, I believe the vegetable pieces coming out in the stool is just the fiber..not the nutrition. Agree or disagree?

June 26, 2013
10:40 am
eddie watts
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"Explain how vegetarians and vegans or people who eat less meat in general have way healthier colons?"
well that is easy and covered elsewhere on this blog and even in this post and the comments...

when you say you need more science what specifically do you mean?
beyond biology textbooks available to anyone up to high school standard, or chemistry for that matter.

that being said here is a very easy experiment to perform which will solve this issue:
get some PH2 acid (i have some from a plumbing place and use it to clear out blocked drains from hair, dead leaves or bits of vegetable that go down the drain from sink)
put in pan on stove and heat gently to 37 degrees celsius
place a piece of meat in this (if you're really a true believer you could use your own hand here, i advise against it)
leave there for 1-2 hours

see how much is left.

not done this myself yet, mostly because wife will kill me for destroying or damaging her cookware! but i will try it soon and will make a video if i can be bothered.
to be fair i may just do it without heating it, that should be safer.

finally vegetarians suffer higher rates of colon cancer than meat eaters, does that sound healthier to you?

June 26, 2013
11:28 am
Ray
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Eddie, you never answered the question. I don't have time to dig through this site let alone am I interested.

"finally vegetarians suffer higher rates of colon cancer than meat eaters, does that sound healthier to you?" - How is that true when I just said they have way healthier colons than meat eaters..?? you make no sense dude.

More science to PROVE that meat or meat by product does NOT stick to the colon wall..forget about it being digested..because even if we digest it and it still sticks to the walls of the colon and STAYS there...that's not beneficial what so ever. If we truly digested meat we wouldn't have any left overs clinging to our colon walls.

As far as your little experiment, is your plumbing acid sulfuric acid? because we have hydrochloric..and I looked for plumbing acid at ph2 and it was sulfuric acid...

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