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Does Meat Rot In Your Colon? No. What Does? Beans, Grains, and Vegetables!
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March 2, 2013
2:18 pm
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... a side comment to Mary.

I had a little smile (not a sneer, a smile ... smiles are good) when I read that you consider yourself a "pesce-ovo-lacto vegetarian". I would describe myself in similar terms as a "pesce-ovo-lacto paleo".

I eat fish, shellfish, eggs, vegetables and dairy from fermented and fatty sources, goat, usually.

You sound like somebody who has taken the time to read and research good health for yourself, just as I have. It is fun to see how completely different approaches can bring people to very similar conclusions.

Semantics, but I guess you would say that you won't eat meat ... I would say that I won't not eat meat, but for the most part we probably eat quite similar.

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March 2, 2013
5:03 pm
Vicki
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I'm no expert but I am a vegetarian/vegan and therefore have done some research.
There is a chemical in beans that produce the gas in digestion. If you only buy bagged beans and do the overnight soak, it somehow breaks down the chemical and does not produce the gas in digestion. I have a sensitive system and know this from experience. And if you're not used to eating a lot of fiber, that can make you very gassy! Gradually increasing your fiber intake will help stop the excessive gas!
I have not been able to find support so far to us having a stomach ph to that is around 2. Everything I am finding is carnivores have a ph of 2 WITH food in stomach, we have a ph of 4-5 WITH food in the stomach.
Herbivores do not require cholesterol intake (because they make their own), where carnivores do require eating it because they do not produce their own. Humans produce their own cholesterol therefore we do not need to eat it.
Anyone who eats mainly meat will tell you they have bowel problems (not able to have a movement, only able to go once a week!). This is awful and so unhealthy! I'm sorry but I disagree completely with this article. How can something sitting in your colon for a a week not be rotting compared to the veggie matter that's in there for less than 24 hours? There is a reason carnivores have the short, pipe like digestive tract they have...
This just seems like more selfish "I don't want to stop eating meat." Most vegetarians and vegans don't want to eat meat because there is no humane way to kill. Billions of farm animals are killed for food a year and live awful lives. Yes, maybe there are some wildlife killed in the process of farming but at least we are trying to minimize the killing! Plowing down the forests for fields? What do you think the fields are for? Since it is takes SIGNIFICANTLY less resources to produce plant foods while producing more plant food, these fields are made for cattle and grains for the cattle! Then you have to grow the food for people. Stop with the over production of meat and there will be less fields!

March 3, 2013
3:25 am
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No part of anything you said is right, Vicki. I simply cannot be bothered to respond to eat and every point you erroneously make – all the corrections are in the posts above.

Simply put, modern farming is killing the planet. Modern diets, vegetarian and vegan, is killing the planet … and the people upon it.

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March 3, 2013
10:51 am
Chase
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Whoever created this is a dumbass and needs to be put in jail for spreading corporations lies and propaganda. Your not really educated in proper health, nutrition and the human digestive system, yet you pretend you have all the answers, too bad most people who buy this are not properly educated enough to realize your lies. How about we eat you?

March 3, 2013
8:51 pm
ian
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ok not really sure what to make of this. i have never believed that meat took that long to digest anyway. this is primarily what you have debunked here and fair enough. however i would need a lot more evidence to convince me that eating meat is better for us than eating fruit and vegetables. from what i know vegetables, uncooked and raw contain enzymes that the human body uses to digest. I also think the alkaline/acidic balance, which is something you havent really touched on in this post is the only way of staying healthy. if we were to eat meat all the time, our bodies would get very acidic, and obviously that is not a good thing for many reasons. also cruciferous vegetables and leafy greens contain chlorophyl, which has a structure that is simiiar to human blood, chlorophyl has been proven to be a great cleanser of the body and also the body can use it to create new blood. are you telling me i should forget about the fruit and veg, and live like a predator and just eat meat and protein and fat??

March 4, 2013
6:46 am
eddie watts
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there are many people trying to point out flaws that *are not even mentioned in the article*
no attempt is being made here to so "don't eat fruit and veg, eat meat instead"

also can you not read all the many comments that have answered *every.single.comment.* that you are now making?

i get the vast majority of my calories from meat, i have *never* had a problem going toilet and certainly once a week is a total fabrication. in fact while i eat plenty of veg my problem is more the other way 3 times a day!

March 4, 2013
8:32 am
ian
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well forgive me but there is too many comments to read in this post, i have read a few but there is no way i can read them all this post goes back to feb 2011. also i think people are entitled to point out flaws in this argument, whether its directly or indirecty linked to this article, so you say he's not saying that we should eat meat instead of vegetables, yet he says that vegetables rot in our digestive system and need our own bacteria to break it down, whereas meat can simply be digested by enymes, which is better and healthier for us, i would also be interested in knowing what this guys average daily diet consists of. i myself eat mainly vegetables and fruit, i also empty my bowels 2 or 3 times a day. salmon is the only meat i eat these days and i am staying off red meat and poultry because of the acidity of it. also cooked meat on its own is very bland, it is not until you add seasoning and condiments that it becomes what we call "tasty" and raw meat tastes absolutely horrible. it is obvious that fruit was meant to be eaten by us because it tastes so good to us and right off the tree, no need to add anything else just pick it off the tree and eat it.

March 4, 2013
8:43 am
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For me, I find that certain out of season fruits and veggies just don't taste right.  Lettuce tastes way too bitter out of season, and strawberries don't have much flavor in the winter nor do tomatoes.  Also, I find that bananas, while quite sweet, spike my blood sugar too much and I don't like how a feel afterwards.

 

I'm finding I've had very little need/craving for seafood/fish since adding grass-fed lamb kidney (selenium) to my diet and supplementing Omega 3 (TJ's Fish Oil or Carlson's Cod Liver Oil).

"Often we forget . . . the sky reaches to the ground . . . with each step . . . we fly."  ~We Fly, The House Jacks

March 5, 2013
8:48 am
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Anyone seen this blog post from Dr. Briffa?  Study finds dietary fibre is more likely to be the cause of, rather than a cure for constipation, and other bowel symptoms?  

http://www.drbriffa.com/2013/03/05/study-finds-dietary-fibre-is-more-likely-to-be-cause-of-rather-than-a-cure-for-constipation-and-other-bowel-symptoms/

"Often we forget . . . the sky reaches to the ground . . . with each step . . . we fly."  ~We Fly, The House Jacks

March 6, 2013
7:46 am
eddie watts
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good catch Jen W

liking it. tom naughton has in the past looked into fibre and found the data to be not supporting the current trend of fibre = good

March 7, 2013
7:44 am
Dave
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Haven't been here for some time. Interesting to see how many new people have shown up in the last couple of months. Also interesting that many of them apparently don't take the time to read all of the comments before posting theirs.

So, I've been reading the book Mistakes Were Made (but not by me) lately, and it is fascinating to see the psychology behind the decisions we make and actions we take. Cognitive dissonance and confirmation bias are rife in the human mind, as is the seeming need for self justification.

As a former 'pro-vegan' thinker, I used to be one of those people urging others to read The China Study. However, once I read, and I mean really, really read and understood, some books that contradicted what I had believed as a 'pro-vegan,' I had to deal with some cognitive dissonance. I could have resorted to self justification, but instead I admitted to family and friends that I had been wrong.

BTW, still enjoying my diet of meat, eggs, and high fat dairy. I must admit to not eating much in the way of plant foods lately, but if viewed from the perspective of my pre-agricultural ancestors, just what kinds of calorie dense fresh plant food would be available during winter anyway (in the northern hemisphere)?

I'm also at what I consider to be my ideal weight (down about 40 lbs. from what I used to be) without strenuous exercise. I walk and bike around the small town I live in, but I wouldn't credit any weight loss to this activity.

To the Vegans: it's not the meat that's killing us prematurely. It's the processed food-like-products made primarily of sugars, wheat, and seed oils. Weston Price saw this process first hand around 80 or so years ago among groups of people on every continent who were being exposed to the industrial diet for the first time.

March 7, 2013
8:53 am
eddie watts
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Dave: congrats on your weight loss and health improvements!
many people who pop in and drop one liners "china study!" "meat rots in your colon!" etc also give the excuse that they can't read all the comments.

i've read all the comments in the last few days, the sheer number of "drop in commentators" is very noticeable if you do that.

March 7, 2013
11:44 am
Vicki
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@Paul,
Really? Your insulting sounding arrogant responce to my post really doesn't make you sound smart. You're just pointing a finger. I'm responding with what I've researched and experienced myself. this article sounds like bs to me. I've actually researched some of this information and have not found much to support these claims. Where is this person getting their info? People do not have a ph of 2 with food in their stomach! I agree that some people will not be healthy on a fully plant based diet but the majority will. A lot of what I've mentioned is based what I've seem or have experienced myself so how can you say I'm wrong? I also do not agree with modern farming and would love to see people growing their own food. I've done it even in an apartment. Ever see "raw for 30 days"? can't do that with meat!

March 7, 2013
11:49 am
Vicki
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I see there are some sources but being on my phone its had to look into them cause my phone stinks.

March 7, 2013
2:07 pm
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Fred, 

 

I just posted that link earlier

 

Jen

"Often we forget . . . the sky reaches to the ground . . . with each step . . . we fly."  ~We Fly, The House Jacks

March 7, 2013
3:08 pm
Alex
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The primary purpose of HCl in the stomach is to provide the low pH needed for the release and function of the enzyme pepsin. Pepsin doesn't become inactive until the pH hits 6.5. So, even if food entering the stomach does raise the pH to 4, pepsin is still able to do its job of breaking down proteins.

March 7, 2013
8:38 pm
we
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J.stanton sorry dude U got it WRONG! Take a look at sum real doctor's without agenda, save helping people healthy women, schoolgirls and us men also check it out FORKS OVER KNIVES! The fact is all are planting goes to raising cattleY'all wanna eat meat go right ahead but atleast do the research before spreading yor mythbusting nonsense! Compare the human digestive system with meat eating animals versus plant eaters other than cows and horses! And next tyme U enjoy the flesh of another animal eat it raw like a REAL carnivore! FORKS OVER KNIVES get the FACTS, enjoy the life GOD has blessed U with. And in all things give thanks for HIS SON JESUS, believe and be saved follow and be free

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March 8, 2013
12:17 pm
Dave
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"we" said:

J.stanton sorry dude U got it WRONG! Take a look at sum real doctor’s without agenda, save helping people healthy women, schoolgirls and us men also check it out FORKS OVER KNIVES! The fact is all are planting goes to raising cattleY’all wanna eat meat go right ahead but atleast do the research before spreading yor mythbusting nonsense! Compare the human digestive system with meat eating animals versus plant eaters other than cows and horses! And next tyme U enjoy the flesh of another animal eat it raw like a REAL carnivore! FORKS OVER KNIVES get the FACTS, enjoy the life GOD has blessed U with. And in all things give thanks for HIS SON JESUS, believe and be saved follow and be free

I'm not J, of course, but I'll write a response to this...

I've watched Forks Over Knives. I've read The China Study, twice. Heck, I've even read the 80/10/10 diet book by that fruitarian quack, "doctor" Doug Graham.

Guess what? I'm not impressed. Yes, watch Forks Over Knives and by all means read The China Study. Then go on over to YouTube and watch Fat Head. Go to your library and check out Wheat Belly by William Davis, Good Calories, Bad Calories by Gary Taubes, and Nutrition and Physical Degeneration by Weston Price.

I honestly doubt most Vegans will read these books because they are afraid of finding out just how wrong they've been all along.

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