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You Are A Radical, And So Am I: Paleo Reaches The Ominous "Stage 3"
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June 15, 2011
4:31 am
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As the Mahatma Gandhi once said:

"First, they ignore you.
Then they laugh at you.
Then they fight you.
Then you win."

The paleo movement grew slowly for many years in the obscurity of Stage 1, and spent perhaps a year in Stage 2 being mocked as the "caveman diet". Now, after several years of exponential growth and a stubborn refusal to be co-opted, we have finally achieved Stage 3, "Then they fight you."

The latest example, of course, is the dismissive baloney pushed by the "experts" hired by US News and World Report, which ranks paleo dead last among 20 different diets—behind…

June 15, 2011
5:46 am
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Furthermore, paleo puts us closer to the producer, often with the ability to simply bypass and cut out the middleman; buying direct from the farm/er.

This is something that governments are legislating against as the food corporations increase globalisation and mobilisation of food to the ridiculous point that one item of produce from the other side of the world costs less than the same item from the farm I can see outside my window.

Changing eating habits removes people from the natural order of seasonal and local food - it takes effort to source local and requires knowledge to eat seasonally.

Once divorced from natural knowledge, smart people become dumb beasts that can be herded when it comes to nutrition. Prey!

Welcome to the global savannah.

I have been looking forward to your next article and it did not disappoint.

Living in the Ice Age

June 15, 2011
6:17 am

Why, yes, PCRM - I notice that my government spent $2,000,000 ripping off your bad dietary advice. It's a good thing I'm eating paleo, or else my blood pressure would be dangerously high right now.

Yet another excellent article, JS - it went directly to my FB page and Twitter feed.

June 15, 2011
6:59 am
Phocion Timon

I have one inviolate rule: Never, ever, ever, never trust the government about anything. I am 60 years old and it has served me faithfully.

In recent years a corollary has popped up: Never, ever, ever, never trust the media.

June 15, 2011
7:06 am
Brian Scott

One of those things that bugs me when people denigrate this diet is how often they'll keep saying "oh, you're only losing water weight". Certainly a large portion of weight you lose in the beginning is water weight.

I seriously doubt I have over 80 lbs of water in me, though.

June 15, 2011
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I had many of the same thoughts a while back – and considered the whole paleo movement rather as an insurgency.

What cripples institutions is the loss of power that comes from cutting them out of the supply chain (be it a supply of knowledge or material goods).

Paleo types are ignoring the govnerment's healthy eating advice and curing themselves of a range of illnesses – cutting out the authority of various heart, diabetes and obesity NGOs in the process, and removing the need for medicines and whole branches of advice from medical authorities.

This also shows stark contradictions in the advice and guidance we have gotten from these groups and their affiliates.

There is no leadership heirarchy in 'paleo' it is self organising, and so it cannot be controlled. It cannot be led nor directed by an appeal to authority.

Now THAT is something that will scare governments and NGOs alike – when they realise they need us more than we need them!


[Edit by JS: fixed the broken tags.

Asclepius: since you've posted with a registered account instead of as a guest, you can edit your comment.  Go to the forums, make sure you're logged in, and click the "Edit" button at the top of your post.  You can also post directly in the forums, which gives you a much nicer editor, and they'll appear in the comment thread.]

June 15, 2011
7:54 am

This is a wonderful blog post. I am sharing this with LOTS. Thank you for writing this!

June 15, 2011
8:31 am

great update!
saw some of the "grass fed not beneficial" stuff on robb wolf's site and read the loren cordain rebuttal yesterday.

it is scary how close this stuff comes to conspiracy theory nut when you start explaining stuff to people though.

i end up having to say something along the lines of "i've been reading up on this stuff for 5-6 years and gradually built up my knowledge and understanding over that time. looked at now it does sound a little conspiracy theorist when you see the end product, but that is not how i started"

the worse one is the sunscreen one

June 15, 2011
9:46 am
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June 15, 2011
11:20 am
Dave, RN

The fact that "they" disagree with eating Real Food and no grains tells me I've been on the right track for the past 4 years. Lost 30 lbs of fat from the gut and cured pre-diabetes as well. Can't wait for my grass fed half beef to come next week, complete with liver, tongue, heart, marrow bones and suet.
As you can see I work in healthcare. It saddens me when I see patients so obese they cannot hardly move or even leave home. And then the doc prescribes a low fat,low sat diet that's guarenteed to fail to do anything for the patient, because yo know there's those fat free snack cakes...
The system is broken, and will never be fixed.

June 15, 2011
11:21 am

Hot damn, another great one. Just when we see some of the Paleo bloggers trying to ditch the word "paleo", J. Stanton stands up with a no-holds-barred blog post defending our name. I like it!

June 15, 2011
11:28 am
Keoni Galt

This is not a conspiracy theory.

No, it's a conspiracy FACT.

The very same media that promotes false health and nutrition info and markets grains to us all is the same entity that has literally programmed the minds of most sheeple to automatically shut down and default into disbelief as soon as "conspiracy theory" is mentioned.

It's a fucking pavlovian response.

As soon as any conversation in which it is pointed out that there are huge financial entities that have worked in conjunction with the government to profit off of the ill health of the average consumer, and you cite things like the incestuous relationship between Big Ag and the Government (like Obama appointing a former Monsanto exec to head the FDA), some asshat simply says "that's conspiracy theory" and the average brainwashed idiot immediately marginalizes and ignores the factual argument with UFO's, reptilian aliens and satanic bohemian grove cults.

June 15, 2011
12:47 pm
Crunchy Pickle

Funny, it always seems to come back to money, doesn't it? Thanks for the thought-provoking info.

June 15, 2011
12:55 pm

One crumb of comfort is that "the powers that be" eat the shite they hawk too. So suffer from the diseases of civilization along with the masses!
There's no super primal healthy cabal ruling and exploiting us. I reckon that is proof enough there is no conspiracy.

June 15, 2011
1:34 pm

@Bodhi - "Hot damn, another great one. Just when we see some of the Paleo bloggers trying to ditch the word “paleo”, J. Stanton stands up with a no-holds-barred blog post defending our name. I like it!"

If I could upvote this comment I would. Superbly put.

If you EVER come across someone commenting that 'caveman didn't use the internet etc...', and if you ever come across someone who thinks the profit is in the cure rather than the treatment, be sure you are dealing with an idiot. Walk away.

People who don't get the 'paleo thing' are complicating it. It is broad enough that no one should get it wrong, and narrow enough to improve your health.

June 15, 2011
3:29 pm

Brilliant article. As a medical student, I am on a receiving end of pharmaceutical/industrialfood propaganda daily. A "pill for everything" is a traditional approach while using diet as the means of maintaining health is viewed with suspicion and mockery. In medical circles "alternative" is a dirty word. It's sad that a whole generation of doctors naively believe in this new philosophy.
I wish evolution would hurry up and select for true health, intelligence and common sense. Meaning us 😉

June 15, 2011
4:10 pm

As an Australian citizen, I like to believe that things are not as bad here, although I may be mistaken.
I am able to purchase pastured lamb and beef easily straight from the farmer. There are several thriving farmers markets in my city from whom I can purchase organic and locally grown fruit and veg and I get raw milk delivered to my door by a farmer who prides himself on never giving his dairy cows anything but grass and silage for feed (yes I know dairy isn't paleo, I'm more Primal than Paleo).
Most of the anti-Paleo propaganda I read is posted on blogs or facebook by US residents, maybe the paleo/primal diet is just not as well-known here in Australia and so hasn't triggered the powers-that-be into a response yet.

Further to Dave RN's comment above, as a nurse I also see the same non-sensical advice being given to my patients with obesity and diabetes. A breakfast tray for a diabetic patient contains cornflakes, skim milk, OJ and 2 slices of whole-wheat toast with margerine and jam. It makes my blood sugar rise just by looking at it, so I can only imagine what it does to my insulin-resistant patient!

Great article as usual JS.

June 15, 2011
4:49 pm
Kat Eden

I love that you've taken the time to do the math here, thanks for a great article. Definitely one to share and come back to.

June 15, 2011
5:29 pm

Phocion Timon: I daresay you repeat yourself.

J. and others: "Follow the money" is absolutely right. Half of the present consumer economy wouldn't exist if paleo entered the mainstream.

To push the point further, here is a brief list of all the products that I used to consume, but haven't purchased in over a year since going paleo:

- Shoes
- Beverages
- Deodorant
- Toothpaste
- Sunscreen
- Prescription drugs
- Over-the-counter drugs
- Medical services (excluding dental and chiropractic)
- Anything with grains
- Anything with sugar
- Electronic games (well, okay, I bought one)

I could go on, but you get the point. Much of the money I saved has gone instead to local farmers selling products that factory farms can't provide, such as raw milk, unrefrigerated eggs and grass-finished beef. Multiply my experience by hundreds of thousands, and the established interests have a real problem.

Billions of dollars are made each year off of fat, sick, and unhappy people. Education is all it takes to set them free, but you can bet that established interests won't take it lying down. We'll be lucky if they restrict themselves to lying propaganda. Anti-paleo legislation is probably not far away; they're already cracking down on raw milk in many states.

June 15, 2011
7:06 pm


I'm an An-Cap and I love how you linked 'Value' and the Paleo lifestyle.

Also, spot on the Labor theory analysis.

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